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Old 10-30-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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fools rush in, where angles fear to tread
What exactly do angels have to fear?????

That is not even a scripture is it???


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'Fool' is now a more derogatory insult than it was when this proverb was coined, in the early 18th century. At that time a fool wasn't a simpleton, lacking in intelligence, simply someone who had behaved foolishly.



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Old 10-30-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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Very sure. And you should be, too. I wouldn't lie about something like this.
Just like a real cat with a mouse, Katz - just tell him about the spelling error!
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Just like a real cat with a mouse, Katz - just tell him about the spelling error!
That would be much too easy.
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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What exactly do angels have to fear?????
What do angels even have to do with it? We were talking about angles, weren't we?

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Old 10-30-2016, 07:00 PM
 
Location: US
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I read conflicting accounts of this.

Up until maybe 5 days ago,i thought God was omnipresent.

I restudied a chapter with Jehovah Witnesses,and well,now I know.


Here is an example I found:
To understand the pervasive effect of God’s holy spirit, picture the sun. It is at a specific location but distributes energy to a vast portion of the earth. Similarly, Jehovah God has a place of dwelling. But he can perform whatever his will is anywhere in the universe. Furthermore, Jehovah can use his holy spirit to perceive what is happening anywhere and at any time. Thus, 2 Chronicles 16:9 states: “As regards Jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.”

I am actually kind of confused.

I was taught that God is not the ruler of the world by JW.

So really,people cannot blame God for evil because he does not rule the world.

My teacher also told me God does not intervene in this world unless to help those who serve him.

Divrei Hayamim II - II Chronicles - Chapter 16


9 For the Lord-His eyes run to and fro throughout the entire earth to grant strength with those whose heart is whole toward Him. You have dealt foolishly in this matter, for from now on you shall have wars.
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Old 10-30-2016, 07:18 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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Very sure. And you should be, too. I wouldn't lie about something like this.
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What exactly do angels have to fear?????

That is not even a scripture is it???
well, i'll be. a corruption of
Do not be eager in your heart to be angry, For anger resides in the bosom of fools
i guess. hmm.
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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well, i'll be. a corruption of
Do not be eager in your heart to be angry, For anger resides in the bosom of fools
i guess. hmm.
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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Divrei Hayamim II - II Chronicles - Chapter 16


9 For the Lord-His eyes run to and fro throughout the entire earth to grant strength with those whose heart is whole toward Him. You have dealt foolishly in this matter, for from now on you shall have wars.
His eyes are the angels?

Meaning that angels report to God what is happening on Earth.

If God was present everywhere,why did he send angels to investigate Sodom and Gemorrah?
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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God cannot be responsible for bad if he is not everywhere and does not rule the world.
true because the fall created a legally binding place God is not invited to be , unless he is invited to be and he is a legal or lawful God, because Love is legal and lawful and not a usurper . that space where he is not invited is where he calls death , we call it hell, but it is really an authority ( vacant space ) only in the minds and hearts of mankind and sort of where all the seeds of mans deeds is being stored up . thus only Jesus who entered in this death and became a fallen human and died then took the power of that place and so only HE overcame it and only he will judge it . but also only he can go in there and pull people who are willing out of there.

thus without destroying all in death at that moment , which he promised he would do after 6 long days , but only after pulling out of hell all willing to undo what the fall created and then judging all who like it there . thus they chose and then prove by their actions that they want to be restored to man's former state at creation or they do not .

and man is given 6(long) days to do that because Father will not deal with hell forever.. talk about a thorn in his side. who is willing to share in his sufferings ? only Jesus was.
but except for the minds of men unwilling he is everywhere and controls all he can with out usurping peoples will and he only controls ( not hearts and minds ) things for the righteous sake.

I mean if he tried to controlled the sinners hearts and minds now ( which he wouldn't do ) he would not do it, it would mean constant ongoing drama and trauma but for the righteous sake he is postponing that fight and control their souls only until the cup of wrath of men sins is full and then will do it all at one moment in time.

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Old 10-31-2016, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
I read conflicting accounts of this.

Up until maybe 5 days ago,i thought God was omnipresent.

I restudied a chapter with Jehovah Witnesses,and well,now I know.


Here is an example I found:
To understand the pervasive effect of God’s holy spirit, picture the sun. It is at a specific location but distributes energy to a vast portion of the earth. Similarly, Jehovah God has a place of dwelling. But he can perform whatever his will is anywhere in the universe. Furthermore, Jehovah can use his holy spirit to perceive what is happening anywhere and at any time. Thus, 2 Chronicles 16:9 states: “As regards Jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.”

I am actually kind of confused.

I was taught that God is not the ruler of the world by JW.

So really,people cannot blame God for evil because he does not rule the world.

My teacher also told me God does not intervene in this world unless to help those who serve him.
It kind of sounds as if you just accepted everything the JWs told you. I don't know what your religious background is, but I can assure you that there is more than one way of interpreting pretty much every verse that causes confusion. Everything you say you now "know" is just another way of saying that you "know how the JWs interpret certain passages of scripture." There's nothing wrong with that as long as you realize that if you were to "restudy" a chapter with the Catholics, the Baptists or the Mormons, you may find yourself "knowing" something else entirely.
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