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Rabbi, are you of the persuasion that everyone will be saved? I got the impression from your first post that said something to the extent that everyone in the outer court will be saved which you before mentioned as hindus, muslims etc. People without the Spirit of Christ saved? If that is indeed what you believe, I believe that is a very dangerous error and not what the Lord taught in Matthew 25 towards the end, read 25:46 for example.
It is what is taught, people who are sent into outer darkness are still saved and we have many examples of these people who are escorted out of the Zoe kingdom, who are escorted out of the wedding banquet, who are not allowed in the city, and whose works will burn when they are tested by fire but they themselves are saved, but only as one who has gone through a fire.
Same people that Jesus looks at and says,'' depart from me, you law breakers, I never knew you.''
Dogs without the city and when Dog is implied, it means,'' Gentile.''
A Gentile who disrespects Torah, rejects the commandments of God, creates his own worship system, it is he who CHOOSES to remain a gentile, and so we see many would be brides saying,'' Open even unto us.''
But the door is closed to them, the door of the wedding chamber where they were to consummate a marriage and be given a child from this consummation.
Many are given a seed, but few babies are raised to maturity, that child will be taken from them, but they themselves saved.
Isaiah 66:7
7 Before she that travailed brought forth, before the travail-pain came on, she fled-escaped, and had brought forth a manchild [Hebrew H2145 ZKR (zakar)].
Revelation 12:5-6
5 And she brought forth a man-child, [υιον αρσεν] who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her τεκνον was caught up unto τον θεον, and to the throne thereof.
6 And the woman fled [εφυγεν] into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of Elohim, that they should nourish her there a thousand two hundred sixty yamim.
Three bowls shall be made like almond blossoms on one branch, with an ornamental knob and a flower, and three bowls made like almond blossoms on the other branch, with an ornamental knob and a flower - and so for the six branches that come out of the lampstand.
Exodus 25:33
Why Almonds?
Because they are shaped like eyes,'' The eye is the lamp of the Lord.''
SO: Beginning with the trinity: I "see" 4 in the "trinity". Father, mother, son and daughter (binah/understanding).
I see 4 too.. but I call them different.
Father = the law to israel and judah , and king of the heavenly city
and his Queen mothers ( = direct overshadowing spirit of sight and prophesy( like telephones) I think of Abigail and Deborah maybe Mary and something I will tell you below but that is speculation ) etc as pictures of authority or offices of community and communication , I think of these as His world wide community organizers and party planners . you know the type . they are Grace and strong . like the woman with the stork wings in micah .
The Son a= THE LAW and everything to the nations
Queen consorts ( the sons spirit spread to the world and like Shekinah= quiet abiding glory ? I am still guessing which expression is who's. because I believe He is missing his left side right now . while he has been praying for us at that alter.
so sure these three nations plus the floating city =4 ( Israel + Sodom , Sameria on his north and south ) , these are like nations with jobs duties and doing his services like medical system like healing the nations from the trees of life . but that is just my theory now it is ever growing and changing. I sure do see 4 two very hidden and not understood at all. by me either.
so yes I see the whole nation of queen consorts and queen mothers ( and there is some husbands to these ladies too ) who have many kinds of jobs/duties and authorities . but one of these or both maybe even both are to and willing too bear children for the Lord ( placed in a womb like he was ) probably at their own timing , of the billions and billions and billions of babies waiting to be reborn and re mothered . infants who's experiences were so gross , scaring and mutilating that only the most faithful woman with access to the trees of life in the temple or the new city will carry those children in order to heal and reborn and re-bond most of those babies I don't know if they raise them or give them to their saved mothers or their clan mothers , I don't know . here is a very cool video that gives hints as to what man kind has done to "heaven" with their horrific sins . but Judah is and always has been about school and education .. so they are the schooling systems. 1000 years is all about family and babies.
scripture wise here is hints Isa 60 verse 8 and micah and the ladies with the wings . you can study the storks of maybe hints. and the other are doves .
so yes I see 4 .
ps in the first temple there was two sets of winged
"cherub" were these pictures of something else, like authroities ? maybe yet to be revealed or maybe named ? how about hidden , yes that promise to Eve !
Everyone is born as a son, the idea is to not be the son, the son is who would be king, you die daily to him, and instead of being the son, you become the pure virgin.
You decide to be a king or a submissive female and it is all up to you, a servant will be a king in the next life but a king will be a servant in the next.
You were born of Adam and Eve as their son, but you would hate your father and he should hate you, and you choose another.
Everyone is born as a son, the idea is to not be the son, the son is who would be king, you die daily to him, and instead of being the son, you become the pure virgin.
You decide to be a king or a submissive female and it is all up to you, a servant will be a king in the next life but a king will be a servant in the next.
You were born of Adam and Eve as their son, but you would hate your father and he should hate you, and you choose another.
Just my opinions
It seems to me there is no reason to ever even think yourself a king; it is dangerous, and even Yeshua did not do so boldly, even Paul seems to hint at this when he speaks of the witness that Yeshua gave before Pilate, (in which Yeshua never actually says, "I am [a] king"). The only real places this may be taken from are the places where the KJV and other versions, (which follow the Textus Receptus), have it inserted, which are Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:10. However most other Greeks text do not have, "He has made us kings and priests", but rather, "He has made us a kingdom of priests", (that is, Rev. 1:6). There is a huge difference between the two because we have a full manual on how to act if we desire to be like priests but we have nothing showing us how to become kings. In fact the first king which the children of Israel asked for, (against the will of Elohim), was a real doosy. What we often fail to realize is that the Father gives spiritual and supernal things, for He is Spirit, and when we therefore ask for something we need to be careful what we ask for:
Hosea 13:6-11
5 I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten Me.
7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, [that the heart may be metaphorically removed for supernal "circumcision"] and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
9 O Yisrael, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in Me is thine help!
10 I will be thy King: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, "Give me a king and princes"?
11 I gave thee a king in My displeasure, and will take him away in My fury!
This kind of "king" cannot be seen with the eyes of the flesh.
It seems to me there is no reason to ever even think yourself a king; it is dangerous, and even Yeshua did not do so boldly, even Paul seems to hint at this when he speaks of the witness that Yeshua gave before Pilate, (in which Yeshua never actually says, "I am [a] king"). The only real places this may be taken from are the places where the KJV and other versions, (which follow the Textus Receptus), have it inserted, which are Rev. 1:6 and Rev. 5:10. However most other Greeks text do not have, "He has made us kings and priests", but rather, "He has made us a kingdom of priests", (that is, Rev. 1:6). There is a huge difference between the two because we have a full manual on how to act if we desire to be like priests but we have nothing showing us how to become kings. In fact the first king which the children of Israel asked for, (against the will of Elohim), was a real doosy. What we often fail to realize is that the Father gives spiritual and supernal things, for He is Spirit, and when we therefore ask for something we need to be careful what we ask for:
Hosea 13:6-11
5 I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten Me.
7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, [that the heart may be metaphorically removed for supernal "circumcision"] and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
9 O Yisrael, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in Me is thine help!
10 I will be thy King: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, "Give me a king and princes"?
11 I gave thee a king in My displeasure, and will take him away in My fury!
This kind of "king" cannot be seen with the eyes of the flesh.
The way I see it, you put the needs of others before your own needs, and instead of living like a king, you live as a submissive virgin who refuses to be the son of his first father.
Most people do live like kings, I mean that their ambitions for wealth, fame or whatever, they want to live as kings while Jesus had people living in common and with the agenda to raise money for the widows and needy. Husbands and wives sold houses and businesses to raise money for the needy because they put the needs of others before their own needs, and so they lived as servants. Jesus came making servants from would be kings.
There are many kings everywhere you look but they are not given authority under Jesus. Everyone who becomes a submissive servant, an humble virgin, those are given a seed to raise a new son, and it is this new son who would become as Brethren to Jesus{IF he is fully raised, but Woe unto those with children and weaning children}, each one a king but not in this life.
It's like how Genesis 49 shows how to move up the ladder of the 12 tribes. They begin bad and they progressively get better, and this in my opinion in moving from South to East to North and then west going through 3 names at a time as if there were 4 levels.
But whoever moves from Rueben all the way up the ladder to be counted under the tribal name,'' Joseph,'' that person will be Benjamin after he has risen.
Revelation 12 5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
I highly doubt that I will be one of these very few people but I see them as brethren of Christ and then given all the promises that Jesus was given by his father, even saying,'' This is my son in whom I am well pleased.''
Revelation 2
26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Also, this might be out on a limb, but what I see Revelation implying is that there are countless Earths and all of them are just to train the very few brethren of Jesus. That these overcomers{Not me} will already have an Earth designed just for them, and they will go down to that Earth and do what Jesus did here.
But that is out there, and while I believe there are few people who actually raise a full grown man within them, I believe all that do will be kings after death. Given crowns and authority over all nations of an entire earth.
Revelation 2 ~ Children of Jezebel amongst the congregation of believers in Christ and how they die because they were found with children instead of full grown men, their child remained a child.
23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts:
HERE are the children of Jezebel, and of course this means they are children of Paganism and they also belong to the Northern house of Israel,'' Ephraim.''
I don't believe that these children are killed because they were involved in Pagan holy days, but that it is the absence of the milk and the meat once you have cast off the Holy days and traditions of God, you can't raise a full grown man.
The child must be given meat in due season after a long time of receiving milk. Years and years go by as the child moves through the milk of the word and then begins eating meat in due season BECAUSE the 7 feasts and 8 Holy days of Christ IS THE MEAT.
These children of Jezebel were not wicked children{Righteous seeds of Christ TAKEN}, but they are set in a corner and starved to death for the sole reason that they rejected the instructions of Christ and how to raise a child in the 7 feasts of Christ. It is like sending a kid to college but you don't buy him any books.
You take away the Passover lifestyle, the lifestyle that teaches you to look for leaven instead of looking for reward, teaching you how to clean your house and how the rain comes falling softly in Pentecost. Call the Torah a strange thing, and then take away everything that teaches about Christ in a personal way, and how is a child to be raised?
I used to think it was bad because they were still involved with Pagan holy days as Christians are wont to do, but I think I don't see sin the way I used to. I almost get to a point of ALMOST saying,'' There is no sin either way, there is only learning, raising a child.''
But those poor children of Jezebel, these are OBVIOUSLY IN THE CONGREGATION OF BELIEVERS IN CHRIST.
These are amongst the churches, and when their children are killed, everyone will know and see, all the churches will know.
Last edited by Hannibal Flavius; 11-28-2016 at 10:17 PM..
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