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Old 11-20-2016, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The Bible is indeed the inspired Word of God and has NOT been changed by scribes - ..... "
Really? What about the addition of chapters 9 - 20 to gMark?
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Old 11-20-2016, 01:39 AM
 
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Really? What about the addition of chapters 9 - 20 to gMark?
Ya got him there, Raf....
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Old 11-20-2016, 01:55 AM
 
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Ya got him there, Raf....
Pity he will be blind to it.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:12 AM
 
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Some people believe the Bible is the Words of God and have witnesses of God in their life , and God leading them by His Words and blessing them with miracles , then there are some people who do not believe and are of the fallen group who may not receive because of their unbelief which God will not honor .... Then some will go off a choose other holy books of other religions and have passions for hope and may not find a witness of God is real and He does not interact with them ............. For here God has a mansion for me now and it is His gifts of Holy Spirit which are activated by the Words of God that Holy Spirit gave me which are similar to the gifts Jesus gave His disciples in the Bible which the scribes never got to change as God Words brought life to me today ......... See don`t believe the King of Heaven by His Words and He will Not interact with them no matter what they do
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:20 AM
 
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Ya got him there, Raf....
Right now he is furiously googling any information that he can get that will tell him that it wasn't an addition, that it was always there...That the Gospels without it were just ones that were never finished for some reason or another...
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:21 AM
 
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Some people believe the Bible is the Words of God and have witnesses of God in their life , and God leading them by His Words and blessing them with miracles , then there are some people who do not believe and are of the fallen group who may not receive because of their unbelief which God will not honor .... Then some will go off a choose other holy books of other religions and have passions for hope and may not find a witness of God is real and He does not interact with them ............. For here God has a mansion for me now and it is His gifts of Holy Spirit which are activated by the Words of God that Holy Spirit gave me which are similar to the gifts Jesus gave His disciples in the Bible which the scribes never got to change as God Words brought life to me today ......... See don`t believe the King of Heaven by His Words and He will Not interact with them no matter what they do
Who is the king of heaven?...
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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The Bible is indeed the inspired Word of God and has NOT been changed by scribes - as demonstrated by the Dead Sea scrolls. Not believing something is easy and requires no evidence or proof, but the proof is there for those who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

All of these persistent opinions to the contrary by skeptics on CD are neither helpful or based on truth and should be qualified by "this is my opinion only."
The DSS actually reveal the opposite of what you claim because you only pay attention to what the leaders of your most favored community have told you is true. Just because the Isaiah scroll is very close to what we now have in the Masorete Hebrew text does not mean that is all there is to the overall story. The Jeremiah portions which have been recovered at Qumran show that the Septuagint is by far a much closer source of text for that prophet, (and not just because whole sections are missing in both, which only appear in the Masoretic, but also because of the terribly scrambled order of the passages now found in the Masoretic Hebrew text). There are many sources of information for such things online but mainstream fundamentalist Christianity wants nothing to do with the truth when it comes to the surely false doctrine of a "perfect and inspired Bible". You are living in a closed-loop pipe dream of non-reality that ignores everything going on around you in the real world, (I only mean that as far as when it comes to this issue).

One small example: The Septuagint and the Protestant Bible's Jeremiah problem
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:22 AM
 
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Ya got him there, Raf....
...and that's before we even start on what was kept and thrown out of the Bible. Not changed??? LMAO!
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:38 AM
 
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The Bible is indeed the inspired Word of God and has NOT been changed by scribes ....
Well let's see then. I've already mentioned the addition of chapters 9 - 20 to gMark.

I'll assume that you subscribe to the Protestant Old Testament - so please tell us why your Bible is missing books that are contained in the Slavonic Old Testament or the Eastern Orthodox Old Testament or the Catholic Old Testament? Why has 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Odes, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, and the Letter of Jeremiah been removed from your Bible??

If your Bible has been preserved by your god's providential oversight and care, why haven't you preserved the above? Do you have some special insight into God that says the above are not holy writings or written by 'God's hand'?

Why does your Bible exclude 103 verses that are in the Catholic and Orthodox Book of Esther? And in your book of Daniel, why did you exclude three whole sections that are in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles?



Also, in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles you will find:
The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children that are included between Daniel 3:23-24. Susanna, that is included as Daniel 13. Bel and the Dragon is included as Daniel 14. These are not in your Bible.


You even left out an entire Psalm...Psalm 151....


...and you sit there and tell us that the Bible hasn't been changed? LMAO!
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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Well let's see then. I've already mentioned the addition of chapters 9 - 20 to gMark.

I'll assume that you subscribe to the Protestant Old Testament - so please tell us why your Bible is missing books that are contained in the Slavonic Old Testament or the Eastern Orthodox Old Testament or the Catholic Old Testament? Why has 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Odes, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, and the Letter of Jeremiah been removed from your Bible??

If your Bible has been preserved by your god's providential oversight and care, why haven't you preserved the above? Do you have some special insight into God that says the above are not holy writings or written by 'God's hand'?

Why does your Bible exclude 103 verses that are in the Catholic and Orthodox Book of Esther? And in your book of Daniel, why did you exclude three whole sections that are in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles?



Also, in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles you will find:
The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children that are included between Daniel 3:23-24. Susanna, that is included as Daniel 13. Bel and the Dragon is included as Daniel 14. These are not in your Bible.


You even left out an entire Psalm...Psalm 151....


...and you sit there and tell us that the Bible hasn't been changed? LMAO!
Let's not forget the claim that the COT is a direct translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, but yet, verses are missing from the COT that are in the TNK and verses that are in the COT are not in the TNK...And then there are the translation errors (mistakes or deliberate) that modify the meaning and context of the verse or passage and portray a different sense...For instance, translating the Hebrew word "Alma" as "Virgin" when it simply means "Young Woman" - This is interesting: Does the Hebrew Word Alma Really Mean...

OTOH, betulah is the Hebrew word for "Virgin"...

A lot of hinky modifications going on if you ask me....
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