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These verses do not describe you therefore you are not allowed to see the word of God and His secrets.
"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above.
No one knows the son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the son and whoever the son will reveal Him.
The Lord's power shall be known to His servants but to His enemies His wrath.
The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets."
You see, Peacegiver, you just prove my point that the Bible is so full of errors and contradictions. Look--your quote:
Quote:
"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above. John 3:3
Now contrast that with Luke 17:21
Quote:
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is....
Now finish the verse with ending of your choice:
a. in the midst of you
b. among you
c. within you
d. within SOME of you
e. a & b
f. b & d
g. a, b, & d
h. all of the above except c
You see, the Bible cannot even agree on where the Kingdom of God is. There are 63 verses in the New Testament that talk about the Kingdom of God and many are completely contradictory as you can see.
So which is the correct ending?
As for God's wrath I've never seen or felt wrath. Is it possible I am a child of God despite my (as Mike would put it) "apostasy"?
Please, none of this, "You WILL feel God's wrath when you are judged after you die". No pie-in-the-sky nonsense.
You see, Peacegiver, you just prove my point that the Bible is so full of errors and contradictions. Look--your quote:
Now contrast that with Luke 17:21
Now finish the verse with ending of your choice:
a. in the midst of you
b. among you
c. within you
d. within SOME of you
e. a & b
f. b & d
g. a, b, & d
h. all of the above except c
You see, the Bible cannot even agree on where the Kingdom of God is. There are 63 verses in the New Testament that talk about the Kingdom of God and many are completely contradictory as you can see.
So which is the correct ending?
As for God's wrath I've never seen or felt wrath. Is it possible I am a child of God despite my (as Mike would put it) "apostasy"?
Please, none of this, "You WILL feel God's wrath when you are judged after you die". No pie-in-the-sky nonsense.
The thing is it is not the word that is the problem but the understanding.
Those who can see know the correct translation.
Follow me and you will see.
I am the One who sees. The One who lives. The light of the world. The truth and the light.
Seek and you will find. Ask and receive. Knock and the door will open. Follow me an d you will seek. Follow me and you will ask. Follow me and you will knock.
"The Lord hears the prayer of the righteous but He is far from the wicked."
"The Lord is near to everyone who calls upon Him, who calls upon Him in truth."
A crisis of enormous proportions is manifesting in Christianity today. While Christians by the millions are leaving Christianity for other religions or simply turning to atheism and agnosticism there is another group dropping out in staggering numbers: pastors--men who as youths had a fire to serve the Lord but who as seminary students and then pastors are hit from four sides: wavering faith in God and the Bible, hard work with little or no pay, complete and total loss of belief in God, and fear of the unknown/lack of secular job skills that keep them pastors working in a field they have come to hate.
Most of these men follow a typical pattern: raised Christian, idealistic unrealistic expectations of a life serving God from the pulpit, realization in seminary school that the Bible is riddled with contradictions they cannot reconcile, and loss of faith during some point while they are ensconced in a position in a church. Jack and Adam provide some typical portraits of this phenomenon:
Disillusionment is a large part of this destruction of faith:
It isn't only the loss of faith that is most distressing to these men. More troubling for them is the question of how they will support their families when they have no job skills outside of preaching. Many men are well into their 40's and 50's and couldn't find work even if they did have some job skill outside the pulpit.
So they quietly live the life of believing in God and they go about their pastoral duties, all the while secretly disbelieving in Him. The stress of living a lie sometimes reaches the breaking point.
A recent survey estimated that as many as 1500 pastors a month drop out of Christianity. Those living in silent faithlessness often contemplate suicide as a way out:
Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins, noted biologist have set up The Clergy Project to help men faced with the crisis of losing their faith by offering them stipends to help support their families as they retrain for secular work outside the church. What is even more disconcerting for Christian leadership is that few and few men are coming in to fill the vacancies, prefering instead to get an education outside the seminary in the business world.
With dwindling numbers of parishioners and pastors to shepherd them it appears Christianity is facing a real threat of extinction, something not thinkable since the 1st century some 2000 years ago.
I thought someone said pastors were making money hand over fist, and this is why we should tax the heck out of them. Gasp, priests being poor!
Honestly, tell me how it looks for you trying to convert a people who have already gotten worked over by secular society. This is not an easy job.
That said, however, there are plenty of Christians if you know where to look. Its just that the priesthood hierarchy is extremely flawed at the moment.
You see, Peacegiver, you just prove my point that the Bible is so full of errors and contradictions. Look--your quote:
Now contrast that with Luke 17:21
Now finish the verse with ending of your choice:
a. in the midst of you
b. among you
c. within you
d. within SOME of you
e. a & b
f. b & d
g. a, b, & d
h. all of the above except c
You see, the Bible cannot even agree on where the Kingdom of God is. There are 63 verses in the New Testament that talk about the Kingdom of God and many are completely contradictory as you can see.
You see, Peacegiver, you just prove my point that the Bible is so full of errors and contradictions. Look--your quote:
Now contrast that with Luke 17:21
Now finish the verse with ending of your choice:
a. in the midst of you
b. among you
c. within you
d. within SOME of you
e. a & b
f. b & d
g. a, b, & d
h. all of the above except c
You see, the Bible cannot even agree on where the Kingdom of God is. There are 63 verses in the New Testament that talk about the Kingdom of God and many are completely contradictory as you can see.
So which is the correct ending?
Yeshua says, The kingdom of the Father is like a certain man who wanted to slay a mighty one. Within his own house he drew out his sword, and thrust it into the wall so as to test the strength of his hand: at that time he slew the mighty one.
Hmmm, they must not have been Christians in the first place. This is the answer I've received from others in this forum when I've talked about walking away from fundamental Christianity. Just sayin. . .
Hmmm, they must not have been Christians in the first place. This is the answer I've received from others in this forum when I've talked about walking away from fundamental Christianity. Just sayin. . .
Yes, ' were ' (past tense) Christians also according to Acts 20:29-30 before they walked away from 1st-century Christianity.
The thing is it is not the word that is the problem but the understanding.
Those who can see know the correct translation.
Follow me and you will see.
I am the One who sees. The One who lives. The light of the world. The truth and the light.
Seek and you will find. Ask and receive. Knock and the door will open. Follow me an d you will seek. Follow me and you will ask. Follow me and you will knock.
"The Lord hears the prayer of the righteous but He is far from the wicked."
"The Lord is near to everyone who calls upon Him, who calls upon Him in truth."
Well and good, now follow me on this:
Quote:
"The Lord hears the prayer of the righteous but He is far from the wicked."
Contrast that with this:
Quote:
"There are none who are righteous". Ecclesiastes 7:20
Now remember both of these scriptures are Old Testament so Christ wasn't around to make a person righteous through belief in him.
So how is it one verse says there are righteous while another verse says there are no righteous?????
But the bigger question is "Is your verse even in the Old Testament?" Because I googled it and could not find a reference.
Honestly, tell me how it looks for you trying to convert a people who have already gotten worked over by secular society.
You would have to try and find people trying to convert them, and ask them. However the OP, and people like the Clergy Project, are not actually trying to convert anyone. They are working with people who have ALREADY lost their faith and helping them with that transition.
Honestly, tell me how it looks therefore for you commenting on what no one here is actually doing.
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