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How about you let Jewish people decide what THEY want to do and believe, keep your own religion out of it, and don't try to Christianize symbols that have nothing to do with your religion?
How about that?
Yes you know I was actually postulating to Force them to use Christmas tree as a requirement for them to be living in this side of the Atlantic Ocean..... Dahhh
I'm curious as to why you believe that doing one would lead to the other.
Because Hanukkah trees are already happening Just google it.
In Exchange Christmas Menorah is not happening yet.
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Originally Posted by JB from NC
I don't care what you put up in house; you lighting a Chanukiah isn't going to lead me to putting up a Christmas tree in my house any more than you copying a seder is going to make me celebrate Easter.
I never thought that all jews were going to agree.
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You didn't answer the question: Why do you believe that incorporating the Chanukiah into Christmas would lead to Jews doing the reverse?
Empathy, simpathy, friendship?
I mean, zealot feelings are learned and indoctrinated, but Empathy, Simpathy, Friendship are Natural in Human nature, and we know that Human nature was made by God.
The other point is evidence somehow the strugle for Jews to adopt Christmas trees is less than the Christian strugle to use Christmas Menorah .
I also showed that According to Torah, a Bush Enlightned not burning is the First image Moses described as the mean through which God talked to Him. a Christmas tree couldn´t be more alike to that.
I am Trying to remember where in the Old testament can we read of the Menorah, Do you remember? because I can read about it in the New testament. but I don't remember having read about it in the Old one.
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I mean, zealot feelings are learned and indoctrinated, but Empathy, Simpathy, Friendship are Natural in Human nature, and we know that Human nature was made by God.
The other point is evidence somehow the strugle for Jew to adopt Christmas tree is less tan the Christian strugle to use Christmas Menorah .
I also showed that According to Torah, a Bush Enlightned not burning is the First image Moses described as the mean through which God talked to Him. a Christmas tree couldn´t be more alike to that.
I am Trying to remember where in the Old testament can we read of the Menorah, Do you remember? because I can read about it in the New testament. but I don't remember having read about it in the Old one.
You believe that empathy, sympathy , and friendship should lead one to adopt another's traditions and practices? Does that mean you are going to adopt Muslim practices in order to show those same traits?
Chanukah is a post-biblical holiday. It is a minor festival to celebrate the re-dedication of the Second Temple, which occurred after the Torah was given.
You believe that empathy, sympathy , and friendship should lead one to adopt another's traditions and practices? Does that mean you are going to adopt Muslim practices in order to show those same traits?
There is meat in the stores which is Kosher and Hallal at the same time, Wouldn't you eat it because it is Hallal despite being also Kosher?
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Originally Posted by JB from NC
Chanukah is a post-biblical holiday. It is a minor festival to celebrate the re-dedication of the Second Temple, which occurred after the Torah was given.
at least we can read of it in the New testament. otherwise it will be an object as questionable as the "David star" which is no more than an esoteric talismán. ¿Have you read the Key of Salomon?
There is meat in the stores which is Kosher and Hallal at the same time, Wouldn't you eat it because it is Hallal despite being also Kosher?
Again, you didn't answer the question.
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at least we can read of it in the New testament. otherwise it will be an object as questionable as the "David star" which is no more than an esoteric talismán. ¿Have you read the Key of Salomon?
No, I've not read it. Grimoirs and esoteric texts from the middle ages don't interest me. You do realize that that book had nothing to do with Solomon and was most likely written in 15th century Italy, right?
There is meat in the stores which is Kosher and Hallal at the same time, Wouldn't you eat it because it is Hallal despite being also Kosher?
at least we can read of it in the New testament. otherwise it will be an object as questionable as the "David star" which is no more than an esoteric talismán. ¿Have you read the Key of Salomon?
In the most part hallal meat fulfills the requirements for it being kosher therefore one would on a practical reason eat it not out of empathy. My wife and I are both atheists she being from a weddings and funerals Christian background and me a non religious Jewish one. She some years puts out a menorah and if we are staying home for Christmas and family are coming down will put up a Christmas tree. I see no reason to put up a symbol for another religion as it has no connection to either of us and therefore why? I also do not put up flags of other countries on my house but do put up little Canadian ones on Canada Day. If we had a Muslim living in our home we might put up something for them but it would be their call of if we did and what we did. If it was up to me I would put up neither the menorah nor the Christmas tree only because neither is part of who I am and I would not put up decorations that only had meanings for people living outside of my home. The wife sometimes has put up Christmas lights on the house as well but we do not have a blow up snowman or Santa on the front lawn.
I think you are asking people to be something other than themselves for no real reason. If I wanted a share the Christian Christmas I would go to a Mass or Christmas service, which I have a couple of times in my life. That would have more meaning to me than putting up a tree calling it a Jewish one when there is nothing in that tradition calling for a tree. One does not need to copy in order to respect I mean how many countries in the word do people celebrate Guy Fox (sic) day or Australian holidays.
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