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Old 11-29-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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God never sweeps sins under the rug.

Ex 34:6-7 . . Yhvh, Yhvh God: compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving kindness and truth; who keeps loving kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished

Nahum 1:3 . . Yhvh is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked

Looking at those two scriptures one cannot help but scratch their head and wonder how it's possible that God forgives the guilty, and yet at the same time does not acquit the guilty. Well; the answer to that is quite simple: forgiveness and acquittal are two very different things in the Old Testament.

In other words; though God forgives the guilty, He never clears the guilty; viz: forgiveness in the Old Testament is merely a reprieve; which Webster's defines as: to delay the punishment of someone; such as a prisoner who is sentenced to death. In point of fact, Yom Kippur, though a day of cleansing, is also a day for the Jews to remember that their sins are still on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles.

But God has devised a procedure for rescuing the Jews from their rather precarious position.

Isa 53:5-6 . . He was pierced through for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon him, and by his scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; but the Yhvh has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on him.

Christ's crucifixion is commonly referred to as a vicarious substitutionary sacrifice. But that's a misnomer because the Bible does not allow for substitutions. The soul that sins; it shall die in its own place rather than another soul in its place because that would not be justice; in point of fact, that would be a miscarriage of justice. No; people themselves have to die for their sins.

So; in order for Christ's crucifixion to protect people from the wrath of God, it has to be, in some way, accounted as their own as well as his; and God has invented an ingenious way for them to do that very thing by means of a baptism that involves neither clergy nor H2O.

1Cor 12:12-13 . . For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Seeing as how this particular baptism is supernatural rather than physical, then of course it's to be expected to make no sense whatsoever. However, in a nutshell; what this particular baptism does is make people participants in Christ's crucifixion instead of merely observers.

Rom 6:3 . .Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Rom 6:6 . .Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

Gal 2:20 . .I am crucified with Christ

Col 3:3 . .For you died when Christ died

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Old 11-29-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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alrighty then. Guess that will end this discussion.

So you suggest that your god is extremely ANNOYED with us mortals (god's creation) and if it were not for this Jesus fellow we would all be nuked by the WRATH and VENGEFUL god?
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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alrighty then. Guess that will end this discussion.

So you suggest that your god is extremely ANNOYED with us mortals (god's creation) and if it were not for this Jesus fellow we would all be nuked by the WRATH and VENGEFUL god?
no but that you would have already destroyed your own dumb fannies. hey ever thought you have that horse pushing that cart you are using..
what if he has been preserving and protecting us from totally destroying ourselves? how many times over can that happen ? what if he has been protecting mankind from our own blasphemous and evil and nasty mongering until all who can be saved will be saved ?
because of the cross and what HE has carried for mankind , if he takes it all into himself .. so that they didn't/don't reap what they sowed and the death they created ( and will catch them ) but he takes it at that moment stopping long chains of revenge killings then revenge wars then revenge world wars ! without him at the cross it would take men about three weeks to completely wipe themselves from the map. and everyone left to diseased and wounded to carry on.
when all who can be saved are saved , he steps away from that Altar and what is the most just and true starts.
He can't be the Lamb and the Priest forever . that has never been the deal.
there is a time table and he will walk away from that altar.
and what men have sown and not repented and what they have not died too in their flesh. will be reaped . a lamb only postpones reaping what is sown and been growing . He is the lamb of God and he carries the sins of this world and did it for 2000 years and he is about to to step away and end his vow.
i mean just look at history it isn't anyone but atheists and liberals and such that do not believe in God who get mankind into world wars. it aint christians.

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Old 11-29-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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no but that you would have already destroyed your own dumb fannies. hey ever thought you have that horse using that cart..
what if he has been preserving and protecting us from totally destroying ourselves? how many times over can that happen ? what if he has been protecting mankind from our own blasphemous and evil and nasty mongering until all who can be saved will be saved ?
because of the cross and what HE has carried for mankind , if he takes it all into himself .. so that they didn't/don't reap what they sowed the death they created ( and will catch them ) but he takes it at that moment stopping long chains of revenge killings then revenge wars then revenge world wars ! without him at the cross it would take men about three weeks to completely wipe themselves from the map. and everyone left to diseased and wounded to carry on.
when all who can be saved are saved , he steps away from that Altar and what is the most just and true starts.
He can't be the Lamb and the Priest forever . that was never been the deal.
there is a time table and he will walk away from that altar.
and what men have sown and not repented for and what they have not died too in their flesh. will be reaped . a lamb only postpones reaping what is sown . He is the lamb of God and he carries the sins of this world and did it for 2000 years and he is about to to step away and end his vow.
i mean just look at history it isn't anyone but atheists and liberals and such that do not believe in God who get mankind into world wars. it aint christians.
My fanny is not dumb. Me arse is a great asset. Christians have caused their fair share of grief in this world. They do not get a pass.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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My fanny is not dumb. Me arse is a great asset. Christians have caused their fair share of grief in this world. They do not get a pass.
you right some won't . but most will. ps you forget I know native history too and who really preserved what and who didn't and who stole what really.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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you right some won't . but most will. ps you forget I know native history too and who really preserved what and who didn't and who stole what really.
Yet you insist it was not genocide?? Somehow I am suspecting knowledge of "native history" is not in line with all the facts.

Buy hey, some actually believe a snake talked to Adam and the burning bush spoke to Abraham so who am I to say another is misinformed, right?
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Old 11-29-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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you right some won't . but most will. ps you forget I know native history too and who really preserved what and who didn't and who stole what really.
The things done in the name of Christianity and the Christian God are horrific. Not just to Native Americans. Christians burned women. Christians tortured men and women in horrific ways.

We are witness to the emerging white supremacist groups, and the patriot movement. They claim they are being used by God for their cause. We are witnessing sacred lands being taken and used for dangerous profit.

No pass. Christian men need to clean up their act. They are a disgrace to Christianity.
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Old 11-29-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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The things done in the name of Christianity and the Christian God are horrific. Not just to Native Americans. Christians burned women. Christians tortured men and women in horrific ways.

We are witness to the emerging white supremacist groups, and the patriot movement. They claim they are being used by God for their cause. We are witnessing sacred lands being taken and used for dangerous profit.

No pass. Christian men need to clean up their act. They are a disgrace to Christianity.
I suggest you take a look at the abotion numbers in the last 25 years and abortion has been going on from the start. and deaths from communistic and socialistic regimes in just the last 100 years. none were christians.
and remember only the children are innocent all other tribes and people reap what they sow , everyone pay dearly for those children , that too will be proved.
there is no comparison.
and I won't go into who's land this really is and I suggest you go ask an elder in the sioux , they will give you a hint.
so it has been stolen more than once. and genocides happened way more than once ask any of your elders .

all who are guilty will pay when He walks away from that altar. are you really ready ?

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Old 11-29-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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So it's ok to be a vicious Christian because some other people are even MORE vicious?
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Old 11-29-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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So it's ok to be a vicious Christian because some other people are even MORE vicious?
what ..
God is not mocked as man sows so shall he reap. everyone ready?
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