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"Grace is God’s official job description. Grace is not something God gives; grace is who God [is.] ...An unexplainable goodness is at work in the universe. (Some of us call this phenomenon God, but the word is not necessary. In fact, sometimes it gets in the way of the experience, because too many have named God something other than grace.)" ~ Fr. Richard Rohr https://cac.org/grace-is-key-2016-02-01/
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
"'What is grace' I asked God.and He said..."
[Read the rest of the short poem by St. John of the Cross, from "Love Poems From God" by Daniel Ladinsky here:]
"All that happens"
Amen, Chanokh ! And the post below surely doesn't sound like someone who has experience the grace of God . Sounds pretty condescending and rude and I surely know you won't find that kind of attitude in God's grace! Usually one who knows and has experienced the grace of God has a heart wanting to up-lift and encourage His grace with words of love toward their neighbor, rather then tare you down, amen !
Some post remind me of the parable of a man that the King acted upon grace by forgiving this mans debt owed and then the man turned right around and went out and started beating up those who owed him right after being forgiven from his own debt !
It's sad but some never truly learn God's loving grace nor understand the experience of it, especially in what He has done for them and yet turn around and do the same thing as the man in the parable, rather then blessing others through that same grace God has bestowed upon their lives they go out and treat others rudely, unkindly, speak evil of them, etc., forgetting that that grace God gave them means a whole lot more, amen !
Keep sharing the love and compassion of our God, Chanokh ! It is obvious He has blessed you immensely with His grace of keep keeping on !
Thanks alot for your encouragement Cyber, by grace I have only received a very slight sense of Gods incredible grace in Jesus Christ, but even that is enough to want to share it with others. Regardless of the reception, people need to hear they have a sin-debt before the God that created them. And need forgiveness of their sin because they're under Gods wrath and will face His judgment after death, yet God in His grace provided a Saviour that took our sins upon Himself on the cross, a Saviour Who conquered sin and death itself for our eternal salvation. What a Gospel, and what a Saviour we have in our Lord Jesus Christ . God bless you!
Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? It is the central message and revelation of Christ so it amazes me that they can accept and promote unloving treatment of others in the name of God. That requires that they ignore what is in their heart for the "precepts and doctrines of men." k
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Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin
Amen, Chanokh ! And the post below surely doesn't sound like someone who has experience the grace of God . Sounds pretty condescending and rude and I surely know you won't find that kind of attitude in God's grace! Usually one who knows and has experienced the grace of God has a heart wanting to up-lift and encourage His grace with words of love toward their neighbor, rather then tare you down, amen !
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This obliviousness to the cruelty and lack of love Christians show toward those they consider sinners while proclaiming God's love is the reason so many people despise fundamentalists, Cyber.
My pleasure. You may enjoy these words from Rohr, as well. I think they are quite in line with the way you explain your faith in Jesus:
"This amalgam of the human and the divine is the supreme work of God. For Christians, the shorthand word for this mystery is “Christ” (Colossians 1:17-20, Ephesians 1:3-14, and throughout Paul). You do not have to use that word to know and live inside of the mystery, but it is as good a code word as any. Christ is the corporate personality for all of us, and Jesus is the individual personality. The reason it is called Good News is because we are in on the deal!
But most Christians read the Bible in an entirely individualistic way which destroyed most of its transformative power. Jesus told us to “follow” him on this same transformative journey; instead, we just worshiped him. Many Christians have never been seriously taught about their inherent union with God and will find all kinds of heady reasons to deny it."
This obliviousness to the cruelty and lack of love Christians show toward those they consider sinners while proclaiming God's love is the reason so many people despise fundamentalists, Cyber.
What I like to know is why do you not see the lack of grace in that post that I copy and pasted ? Is it because you favor that individual over the other person . Did you bother to read that post, mystic ? I bet you didn't either .
For one thing it's awful to read one who carries on about supposedly knowing the grace of God yet in the same post is condemning and talking down to the person .
That is what the point of my post was, mystic !
Yet, it is quite obvious this obliviousness to the cruelty and lack of love for Christians you talk about is actually exposing your partiality between two ppl because one can sure pick up on an undertone of favoritism going on
Boy, Mystic, you really have things all a$$ backwards, lol ! Don't you think it's time to retire that computer !'
This obliviousness to the cruelty and lack of love Christians show toward those they consider sinners while proclaiming God's love is the reason so many people despise fundamentalists, Cyber.
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Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin
What I like to know is why do you not see the lack of grace in that post that I copy and pasted ? Is it because you favor that individual over the other person . Did you bother to read that post, mystic ? I bet you didn't either .
For one thing it's awful to read one who carries on about supposedly knowing the grace of God yet in the same post is condemning and talking down to the person .
That is what the point of my post was, mystic !
Yet, it is quite obvious this obliviousness to the cruelty and lack of love for Christians you talk about is actually exposing your partiality between two ppl because one can sure pick up on an undertone of favoritism going on
Boy, Mystic, you really have things all a$$ backwards, lol ! Don't you think it's time to retire that computer !'
What God wants from us is simple, Cyber - love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. You have made things so complicated and confusing over what to believe and who is sinning and who needs to be mistreated and discriminated against, etc. etc. that you miss that very simple point!!!Everything you follow in the "precepts and doctrines of men" that you hold dear, Cyber, are nothing more than the product of human vanity and hubris corrupting the simple message of Christ that God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. Anything and everything that you do in the name of God against sinners violates the love God wants from us. It is so sad that you do not see it.
What God wants from us is simple, Cyber - love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. You have made things so complicated and confusing over what to believe and who is sinning and who needs to be mistreated and discriminated against, etc. etc. that you miss that very simple point!!!Everything you follow in the "precepts and doctrines of men" that you hold dear, Cyber, are nothing more than the product of human vanity and hubris corrupting the simple message of Christ that God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. Anything and everything that you do in the name of God against sinners violates the love God wants from us. It is so sad that you do not see it.
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Like I said, "one thing it's awful to read one who carries on about supposedly knowing the grace of God yet in the same post is condemning and talking down to the person . "
What God wants from us is simple, Cyber - love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. You have made things so complicated and confusing over what to believe and who is sinning and who needs to be mistreated and discriminated against, etc. etc. that you miss that very simple point!!!Everything you follow in the "precepts and doctrines of men" that you hold dear, Cyber, are nothing more than the product of human vanity and hubris corrupting the simple message of Christ that God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. Anything and everything that you do in the name of God against sinners violates the love God wants from us. It is so sad that you do not see it.
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Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Like I said, "one thing it's awful to read one who carries on about supposedly knowing the grace of God yet in the same post is condemning and talking down to the person . "
Your words condemn only you, mystic !
My words condemn no one because I do not judge, Cyber. You pretend that using the Bible to condemn sinners and mistreat or discriminate against them makes it okay because they are an abomination to God. But that is NOT loving your brother or sister, Cyber. Every time you mistreat or discriminate against ANY sinner you are defying God.
My words condemn no one because I do not judge, Cyber. You pretend that using the Bible to condemn sinners and mistreat or discriminate against them makes it okay because they are an abomination to God. But that is NOT loving your brother or sister, Cyber. Every time you mistreat or discriminate against ANY sinner you are defying God.
It is obvious all you are wanting to do is argue and I will not go there with you, mystic !
Move on especially with your belligerent attitude and find someone else to mistreat and discriminate against !! `
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It is obvious He has blessed you immensely with His grace of keep keeping on ! 
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. Did you bother to read that post, mystic ? I bet you didn't either .
