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Of course it takes in the afterlife. There are far too many examples of people NOT reaping what they sow here on earth in this life to think that the reaping is limited to this life. Everything that we do or have done to others in any capacity that caused harm, we will account for by experiencing it ourselves eventually, whether here or in the afterlife. That is what reaping what we sow means. But it is limited to what we have sowed, no more and no less. That is ultimate justice because it is equal in effect.
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So you do believe in hell then?
No, Janelle. There is no Hell of eternal torment for Satan, demons or wicked human beings. That is a bogeyman story created by humans to scare humans. The concept of learning the negative effects of your lack of agape love and "missing the mark" by eventually experiencing them yourself has nothing to do with hell. It is a refining process that eventually eliminates the dross from your Spirit.
No, Janelle. There is no Hell of eternal torment for Satan, demons or wicked human beings. That is a bogeyman story created by humans to scare humans. The concept of learning the negative effects of your lack of agape love and "missing the mark" by eventually experiencing them yourself has nothing to do with hell. It is a refining process that eventually eliminates the dross from your Spirit.
Oh, you are thinking about purgatory and it does just that. Purifies us of any sin so we can get into heaven. No sin can enter heaven so those who have venial/smaller sins on their soul when they die go there to be purified of them.
No, Janelle. There is no Hell of eternal torment for Satan, demons or wicked human beings. That is a bogeyman story created by humans to scare humans. The concept of learning the negative effects of your lack of agape love and "missing the mark" by eventually experiencing them yourself has nothing to do with hell. It is a refining process that eventually eliminates the dross from your Spirit.
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Oh, you are thinking about purgatory and it does just that. Purifies us of any sin so we can get into heaven. No sin can enter heaven so those who have venial/smaller sins on their soul when they die go there to be purified of them.
Pay closer attention, janelle. There is no distinction among sins (missing the mark). That is another human created concept to promote the idea of eternal Hell for the "really bad" (mortal) sins. Preposterous. We will reap EXACTLY what we sow and no more. It is NOT a punishment, it is a balancing and equalization that is what God's justice IS. God does NOT punish. He loves us all equally, but we do not reciprocate, hence the equalization.
Pay closer attention, janelle. There is no distinction among sins (missing the mark). That is another human created concept to promote the idea of eternal Hell for the "really bad" (mortal) sins. Preposterous. We will reap EXACTLY what we sow and no more. It is NOT a punishment, it is a balancing and equalization that is what God's justice IS. God does NOT punish. He loves us all equally, but we do not reciprocate, hence the equalization.
Well I did pay attention in religion class so you don't need to worry about me in that regard.
My faith tradition teaches there is a difference between sin, if you don't believe this try comparing insults given to you from someone about your dinner to someone killing you. I think you would say there is a huge difference in the two.
So how does God balance and equalize your judgement after you die?
The God does not punish part does agree with the video I posted, we punish ourselves.
Well I did pay attention in religion class so you don't need to worry about me in that regard.
My faith tradition teaches there is a difference between sin, if you don't believe this try comparing insults given to you from someone about your dinner to someone killing you. I think you would say there is a huge difference in the two.
So how does God balance and equalize your judgement after you die?
Once you are in possession of the complete and perfect understanding of God's love for us all, try to imagine how you would feel about having done either of them. How will your regret and remorse allow you to make amends in the glare of God's pure love??? There will be a difference only in the amends required.
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The God does not punish part does agree with the video I posted, we punish ourselves.
Well it good to agree on something, but your faith tradition teaches error based on ancient ignorance and superstition. There is very little truth in the ridiculous blood sacrifice nonsense that permeates the theology and in the absurd categories of sin (missing the mark). The amount of primitive magical and superstitious thinking is mind-boggling. God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. We can either express it in this life or the next by default and repentance, but it is what we are designed for.
Once you are in possession of the complete and perfect understanding of God's love for us all, try to imagine how you would feel about having done either of them. How will your regret and remorse allow you to make amends in the glare of God's pure love??? There will be a difference only in the amends required. Well it good to agree on something, but your faith tradition teaches error based on ancient ignorance and superstition. There is very little truth in the ridiculous blood sacrifice nonsense that permeates the theology and in the absurd categories of sin (missing the mark). The amount of primitive magical and superstitious thinking is mind-boggling. God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. We can either express it in this life or the next by default and repentance, but it is what we are designed for.
It seems you believe in reincarnation when you say either this life or the next?
Once you are in possession of the complete and perfect understanding of God's love for us all, try to imagine how you would feel about having done either of them. How will your regret and remorse allow you to make amends in the glare of God's pure love??? There will be a difference only in the amends required. Well it good to agree on something, but your faith tradition teaches error based on ancient ignorance and superstition. There is very little truth in the ridiculous blood sacrifice nonsense that permeates the theology and in the absurd categories of sin (missing the mark). The amount of primitive magical and superstitious thinking is mind-boggling. God IS agape love and that is what He wants from us, period. We can either express it in this life or the next by default and repentance, but it is what we are designed for.
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It seems you believe in reincarnation when you say either this life or the next?
No, janelle. The next life is what you call the afterlife. You mistakenly believe that repentance is impossible after death which is absurd. That is an artificial separation. Death is a new birth and the next life as Spirit begins at our death. It is not the end of life. It is a new stage of life that is spiritual in a spiritual body and as life, it automatically involves change and growth which provides the venue for repentance.
No, janelle. The next life is what you call the afterlife. You mistakenly believe that repentance is impossible after death which is absurd. That is an artificial separation. Death is a new birth and the next life as Spirit begins at our death. It is not the end of life. It is a new stage of life that is spiritual in a spiritual body and as life, it automatically involves change and growth which provides the venue for repentance.
To Paraphrase GotQuestions.org: (See full article for more)
1. The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come.
2. A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18).
3. A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture.
4. Satan’s Ploys. To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.”
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