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Old 12-12-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Politics is blood sport. Evangelicals chose to get involved in politics in a big way, compromising their own beliefs as they did so. So in this year's election, Evangelicals were forced to support a blustering demagogue who owns casinos and strip clubs, worships crass displays of wealth, and brags about his sexual assaults on married women.

So, yeah, there is a deep disconnect between what they espouse and the candidate they support, something that's plainly evident to all but the most blind. Heck, I didn't even vote for Clinton. But there was no way I was voting for Trump.
Good points. I was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I still am. He is, thankfully, still the Senator from Vermont.

As for the "sour grapes" accusation -- the article was written way before the crazy election.

 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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God does not see gay marriage as a CIVIL RIGHT, but rather a sin.
Whether God does or not, it is SURE that He sees forcing your religious perceptions on others by legislation as "sin."
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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It is a tough sell. But it is like reclaiming PRO-LIFE from the extreme radical sect...Pro-life must encompass LIFE from birth to death, not just prenatal.

Wow, I like that sign... I agree with it.

And yes, the "pro-lifers" are only pro-life for the unborn. Once a little heathen comes into the world he by golly better pull himself up by his own boot-straps and get a gun to fight for his own safety. The pro-life movement is a sham and it is the "wedge" issue that the Plutocrats have used for 40 years to get poor and working class to keep the billionaires in power. What we have now is the culmination of that. Good luck surviving under a Trump presidency! He has his finger in the Nuclear Codes and he is very unstable in decision making, and in understanding things, not to mention very thin skinned and probably prone to grow more paranoid now that there is an investigation going on about the Russian influence in the election. I think Trump is really a puppet, much like George W. Bush was and will do whatever the people calling the shots tell him to do. He relies on others to do his thinking for him.
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Good points. I was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I still am. He is, thankfully, still the Senator from Vermont.

As for the "sour grapes" accusation -- the article was written way before the crazy election.
Didn't notice that... I stand corrected. Doesn't mean it is worthy of any real discussion...
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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There are liberal and conservative theologians; this is not political debate. Liberal theologians push a social gospel (agenda).
Actually, you know nothing about my theological views. Bupkis.

Typical self-importance. If someone disagrees with your leveraging the state to spread the Gospel, people like you automatically ascribe a theological position. In truth, Christ was apolitical, steering clear of the secular controversies of the time, particularly the question of Jewish independence form the Romans.

What's more, if you knew anything about the history of the church, you'd know that Christianity has always been its most powerful as a subversive faith, from the time of the Romans to Martin Luther and the Great Awakening. For Christianity has always suffered as an establishment faith. Yet that's exactly what evangelicals are trying to make it when they fiddle with politics.

Likewise, today, I'm pretty sure Christ would have held both liberals and conservatives in contempt for views that do not conform with His teachings.

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Old 12-12-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Didn't notice that... I stand corrected. Doesn't mean it is worthy of any real discussion...
Because the current election exemplifies it?
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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There are liberal and conservative theologians; this is not political debate. Liberal theologians push a social gospel (agenda).
Conservative theologians push a false gospel.
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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God does not see gay marriage as a CIVIL RIGHT, but rather a sin.


The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CONSTITUTION sees MARRIAGE is a civil right, not a religious rite.

GOD is not and never has been in the Constitution as a a right, rite or OBLIGATION.
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:24 PM
 
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God does not see gay marriage as a CIVIL RIGHT, but rather a sin.
Your god is BLIND and hateful.
 
Old 12-12-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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Whether God does or not, it is SURE that He sees forcing your religious perceptions on others by legislation as "sin."
This god you speak of sounds different than the God of the Bible in whom I serve.

Proverbs 8
[32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
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