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Elsewhere is in that chapter, Jesus uses the word "perish". At the end of the chapter, it says this:
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Why do bible fundamentalists attach and equate every negative word in the bible to hell. Wrath .... you are on your way to hell. Condemnation..... You are on your way to hell. Lost...... you are on you're way to hell. Judgement.... you are on your way to hell. Perish.... you are on your way to hell.
We have gone over all this before. Answer me this, before you believed, how did the wrath of God feel on you or were you oblivious to it ?. If you felt it any time it was because you're own heart was condemning you not God.
In respect to perish, if we are not abiding in being spiritually minded then we are perishing. Saying you believe in Jesus and the bible, believing what you thin is correct doctrines and quoting bible verses at the drop of a hat is not being spiritually minded.
I would also like to point out to you that in John 3 the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus was not about things found in the bible..... Jesus said some very strange things to Nicodemus, and Jesus attempted to get Nicodemus to understand heavenly things(not bible things) by showing him earthly things, and even then Nicodemus did not get it.
Nonsense! When Jesus removed Adam & Eve from the garden, it was because they sinned. Read the Parable of the 10 Virgins.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
Why do bible fundamentalists attach and equate every negative word in the bible to hell. Wrath .... you are on your way to hell. Condemnation..... You are on your way to hell. Lost...... you are on you're way to hell. Judgement.... you are on your way to hell. Perish.... you are on your way to hell.
Nonsense! When Jesus removed Adam & Eve from the garden, it was because they sinned. Read the Parable of the 10 Virgins.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
Same message as John 3.
I asked you a question about the wrath of God felt on you, i never said anything about Adam and Eve being removed from Eden. Where ever we are God is.... closer than breathing.... If i make my bed in hell.... guess what Jimmie?. God is there........ He is that close he can be felt ?. Now now... i am talking felt in the spirit and not with human hands. Yes i have the bible verse for this too.
Because they make absolutely no sense for a God who IS agape love. They only make sense to you because you believe in an angry, vengeful, wrathful God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifices of the innocent. There cannot be a more immoral or unjust God than that, jimmie. You ACTUALLY think the "tidings of Great Joy" at Christ's birth were because a SCAPEGOAT was born? Really??
We don't accept the literal meaning. We know that conservatives accept them literally because their minds are dwelling in a place that could wish those things on others. It is the fulfillment of their deepest desires. Jesus tried to get through to them but it didn't work.
It is beyond belief that a Christian would reject the words of Christ. "This is my blood which is shed for the forgiveness of sin."
That was written decades after Jesus had died, after years and years of reflection. But there is no way the real Jesus could have literally said those words.
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