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I assume you mean the last question. I think Jesus's basic message was to free people from religious bondage. To see it as it really was. He was trying to make a more compassionate and socialistic world. Our world today is a lot better than it used to be. But I believe that he and the prophets all foresaw this new world as it has been going in a more compassionate direction throughout history.
The problem is the conservatives always think that it needs to stop exactly where it is. Even slavery was okay in their eyes. And they are trying to bring slavery back even today.
Finally, a response. Thank you, brother.
I still consider you a brother because He still resides in you faithfully even if you no longer believe in Him, but in His teachings which you do so erroneously if you think He was trying to make a more compassionate and socialistic world.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
So the reason Jesus came was;
Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
You may misunderstood Him into thinking He is for slavery...but He was for believers to not seek being a ruler but by being a servant instead. The reference below makes it clearer.
Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Anyway, the good kind of slavery is getting compensation for a limited time of service as agreed upon by both parties, especially when a poor family is selling an able offspring or even themselves for that service to get provision for that family.
The evil kind of slavery is when there is no mutual agreement between the two and one is being forced to be a slave due to being a wartime captive or being profits of slavers with no end of service in sight.
So He wasn't trying to make a more compassionate and socialistic society; Jesus came to redeem man from our sinful state of being separated from God to a reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ to live as His until He comes back as the Bridegroom to take His disciples Home above to His kingdom.
Granted He will return with those saints after the great tribulation as the King of kings to resurrect those saints that were not abiding in Him as His disciples so that they will serve the King of kings by raising up the generations coming for the milleniel reign of Christ on earth.
But He is not trying to make His kingdom now on earth. The believers are supposed to be ambassadors in reconciling sinners to God thru Jesus Christ by preaching the gospel on how to be saved & reconciled back to God the Father thru Jesus Christ. That is why He is the Good News to man.
I assume you mean the last question. I think Jesus's basic message was to free people from religious bondage. To see it as it really was. He was trying to make a more compassionate and socialistic world. Our world today is a lot better than it used to be. But I believe that he and the prophets all foresaw this new world as it has been going in a more compassionate direction throughout history.
The problem is the conservatives always think that it needs to stop exactly where it is. Even slavery was okay in their eyes. And they are trying to bring slavery back even today.
I think Jesus's basic message was to free people from religious bondage and freedom from being dependent on anything other than God(not the god hiding up in the skies that seemingly does not give a ****)
I think we have a lot of freedom of speech in the U.S. However, there have always been people who felt threatened by it.
I think hate speech should not be protected by the 1st amendment right because it is a form of violence.
As for your belief in New Thought Science --- to me it is rubbish, but you are free to believe it. For example, New Thought or Christian Science is not very scientific as I see it when they claim that all disease arises in the MIND. How can they deny that diseases are often spread by bacteria and viruses or mutations of cellular DNA? So in that regard, I would regard Quimby as not a particularly wise man. He may have had some good ideas, but the New Thought religion even defies scientific truth.
I think we have a lot of freedom of speech in the U.S. However, there have always been people who felt threatened by it.
I think hate speech should not be protected by the 1st amendment right because it is a form of violence.
As for your belief in New Thought Science --- to me it is rubbish, but you are free to believe it. For example, New Thought or Christian Science is not very scientific as I see it when they claim that all disease arises in the MIND. How can they deny that diseases are often spread by bacteria and viruses or mutations of cellular DNA? So in that regard, I would regard Quimby as not a particularly wise man. He may have had some good ideas, but the New Thought religion even defies scientific truth.
Galileo was a great example. But I think an earlier one was Jesus himself. They twisted his message the moment he died to suit themselves, but anyone treated like that would have been heretic.
no doubt they twisted the message. I know some others that twist a message of honesty, hard work, and hope.
I think hate speech should not be protected by the 1st amendment right because it is a form of violence.
I 100% disagree. The 1st amendment was put into place, not to protect POPULAR speech, but unpopular speech.
If someone is inciting violence, for instance, that's something else entirely. But expressing your views and opinions, no matter how untasteful they may seem to you or me, is an inalienable RIGHT
Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?
Those christians did not know the Father nor Jesus when they do that.
John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them...
They should only do it when it is not scriptural, but even then they are limited on how to silence them.
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;......... 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Romans 13:1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Please enlighten me as to what "speech" would not be beneficial?
If it be beneficial to 75% of the people is it OK? How about 55%? 35%?
You said They should only do it when it is not scriptural, but even then they are limited on how to silence them.
I do not, nor do I know ANYONE who speaks scripture-ease 24/7..
Are you suggesting we must ONLY speak scripture-ease??
Should this be an amendment to the FIRST AMENDMENT?
Might I suggest you join the rest of humanity in the 21st century and leave superstition and fear behind??
So I say to you, in all sincerity---
And if you obey not myword by this epistle, note that you, and have no company with you, that you may be ashamed.
15 Yet I count you not as an enemy, but admonish you as a brother.
I kind of was warming towards Madonna with her involvement with the kabbalah, but hearing what she had to say yesterday, was and is not beneficial or welcome in my opinionI(it was irresponsible) if you want the government to dictate what we can say and do, and what you want them to do for you of cause.
Please enlighten me as to what "speech" would not be beneficial?
If it be beneficial to 75% of the people is it OK? How about 55%? 35%?
You said They should only do it when it is not scriptural, but even then they are limited on how to silence them.
I do not, nor do I know ANYONE who speaks scripture-ease 24/7..
Are you suggesting we must ONLY speak scripture-ease??
Should this be an amendment to the FIRST AMENDMENT?
Might I suggest you join the rest of humanity in the 21st century and leave superstition and fear behind??
So I say to you, in all sincerity---
And if you obey not myword by this epistle, note that you, and have no company with you, that you may be ashamed.
15 Yet I count you not as an enemy, but admonish you as a brother.
Clarification is needed. I admit I was not clear in my reply. Indeed, I think I have mistyped what I had intended to post.
This was about how christians were killing believers that were condemned as hereticks.
So when I had typed " They should only do it when it is not scriptural, but even then they are limited on how to silence them."
I should have typed " They should only silence hereticks when it is not scriptural, but even then they are limited on how to silence them."
Let's face it; if someone came to your church and said that we are to kill gay people, and you see that person gaining numbers, you are going to be compel to speak out and silence that person by getting the authority of the Word of God in the N.T. to silence that person and get rid of that riotous spell over the numbers that were willing to follow that person.
The same would be if someone was trying to incite a riot to stone a woman in adultery;
The same would be if someone was trying to incite a riot to do anything required under the Old Covenant; you would be compel to speak to christians of what Jesus and Paul said for the New Covenant.
Course traditionally and by commandment from the Lord, a woman is not to speak in church, but churches today has given leniency for that; and I would not doubt that the men have taken a backseat to most activities in the churches too, but amazing how much time & energy they have for freemasonry which denies Him every time they make that oath as not being in the Light but now coming into the Light.
Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Thank you for pointing out a necessity for me in clarifying myself, but there are some free speech that needs to be silenced in church regarding hereticks, but as for public places, I believe there are laws in place against inciting a riot to do harm to people, and so there is limit to freedom of speech there too.
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