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Old 05-04-2017, 11:54 PM
 
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9. Therewith bless we the Lord and Father; and therewith curse we men, who are made after the likeness of God:

10. out of the same mouth cometh forth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

11. Doth the fountain send forth from the same opening sweet water and bitter?

12. Can a fig tree, my brethren, yield olives, or a vine figs? Neither can salt water yield sweet.

13. Who is wise and understanding among you? let him show by his good life his works in meekness of wisdom. (James 3:9-13)
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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How does one curse that which god has made, unless that which has been created is faulty and sinful from the moment god created them--So has god created a faulty and nasty being--no wonder god hates mortal beings and ants to see us in an ever lasting fire of damnation...what better way for god to cleanse the guilt associated with creating something inherently flawed..
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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How does one curse that which god has made, unless that which has been created is faulty and sinful from the moment god created them--So has god created a faulty and nasty being--no wonder god hates mortal beings and ants to see us in an ever lasting fire of damnation...what better way for god to cleanse the guilt associated with creating something inherently flawed..
What is man that God should even notice us?
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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How does one curse that which god has made, unless that which has been created is faulty and sinful from the moment god created them--So has god created a faulty and nasty being--no wonder god hates mortal beings and ants to see us in an ever lasting fire of damnation...what better way for god to cleanse the guilt associated with creating something inherently flawed..


Revision to your history........God created PERFECT Adam and Eve......in a perfect environment and walked and talked with them in the Garden. They were created to last forever......but then disobedience entered in and they did not BELIEVE what Jesus told them. They fell and immediately they died SPIRITUALLY, but they lived physically 900+ years. We all now suffer because our two prototypes fell, we have a cursed earth with Satan in charge temporarily.

Jesus knew all this was coming and had a plan to rectify the problem before He built the universe, no surprises and His plan is coming together not the way man would do it but HIS way.........He has done it this way because He doesn't want robots who do His bidding, but people who could freely choose either way who CHOOSE to love HIM and glorify HIM for what He has done forever.............
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Old 05-05-2017, 10:16 PM
 
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How does one curse that which god has made, unless that which has been created is faulty and sinful from the moment god created them--So has god created a faulty and nasty being--no wonder god hates mortal beings and ants to see us in an ever lasting fire of damnation...what better way for god to cleanse the guilt associated with creating something inherently flawed..


Revision to your history........God created PERFECT Adam and Eve......in a perfect environment and walked and talked with them in the Garden. They were created to last forever......but then disobedience entered in and they did not BELIEVE what Jesus told them. They fell and immediately they died SPIRITUALLY, but they lived physically 900+ years. We all now suffer because our two prototypes fell, we have a cursed earth with Satan in charge temporarily.

Jesus knew all this was coming and had a plan to rectify the problem before He built the universe, no surprises and His plan is coming together not the way man would do it but HIS way.........He has done it this way because He doesn't want robots who do His bidding, but people who could freely choose either way who CHOOSE to love HIM and glorify HIM for what He has done forever.............
OH I love you .... I needed that after reading some other stuff on here..
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Old 05-05-2017, 11:22 PM
 
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How does one curse that which god has made, unless that which has been created is faulty and sinful from the moment god created them--So has god created a faulty and nasty being--no wonder god hates mortal beings and ants to see us in an ever lasting fire of damnation...what better way for god to cleanse the guilt associated with creating something inherently flawed..


Revision to your history........God created PERFECT Adam and Eve......in a perfect environment and walked and talked with them in the Garden. They were created to last forever......but then disobedience entered in and they did not BELIEVE what Jesus told them. They fell and immediately they died SPIRITUALLY, but they lived physically 900+ years. We all now suffer because our two prototypes fell, we have a cursed earth with Satan in charge temporarily.

Jesus knew all this was coming and had a plan to rectify the problem before He built the universe, no surprises and His plan is coming together not the way man would do it but HIS way.........He has done it this way because He doesn't want robots who do His bidding, but people who could freely choose either way who CHOOSE to love HIM and glorify HIM for what He has done forever.............

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Old 05-06-2017, 02:09 AM
 
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Revision to your history........God created PERFECT Adam and Eve......in a perfect environment and walked and talked with them in the Garden. They were created to last forever......but then disobedience entered in and they did not BELIEVE what Jesus told them. They fell and immediately they died SPIRITUALLY, but they lived physically 900+ years. We all now suffer because our two prototypes fell, we have a cursed earth with Satan in charge temporarily.

Jesus knew all this was coming and had a plan to rectify the problem before He built the universe, no surprises and His plan is coming together not the way man would do it but HIS way.........He has done it this way because He doesn't want robots who do His bidding, but people who could freely choose either way who CHOOSE to love HIM and glorify HIM for what He has done forever.............
This is just an opinion of what happened to support the doctrine of original sin.

It is quite clear from Genesis 3 that Pefect Adam and Eve just began to see things differently after what they saw and partook of, which is the problem we all have........ how we view things has a great impact and influences everything we think and do

Then the eyes of the two of them were opened [that is, their awareness increased].
. Amp version
From then on they viewed God from fear and condemnation, the first thing they did before God said anything to them was go and hide in fear because of how THEY saw themselves


Fundamentalist like yourselves read the scriptures naked, so is it any wonder everything you glean from the scriptures, is seasoned with fear, sin,separation, judgement, condemnation, punishment and death.
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Old 05-06-2017, 04:45 AM
 
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Fundamentalist like yourselves read the scriptures naked, so is it any wonder everything you glean from the scriptures, is seasoned with fear, sin,separation, judgement, condemnation, punishment and death.

Speak for yourself, Emperor. And natural sight had NOTHING to do with how they knew they were naked. They knew because they realized when He spoke that His voice was OUTSIDE of them, instead of INSIDE of them, as it was when they were still in covenant with Him, and He was their covering. Peace
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Old 05-06-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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Speak for yourself, Emperor. And natural sight had NOTHING to do with how they knew they were naked. They knew because they realized when He spoke that His voice was OUTSIDE of them, instead of INSIDE of them, as it was when they were still in covenant with Him, and He was their covering. Peace
The voice of God never leaves anyone, just like God never leaves anyone. Remind me again who spoke to Caan and Abel outside of Eden.

Who was speaking about natural eye sight...... everything we see is created from the unseen. Nothing has it's beginnings outside of us.......imagination is the beginning of creation. Namaste
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Old 05-06-2017, 05:25 AM
 
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The voice of God never leaves anyone, just like God never leaves anyone. Remind me again who spoke to Caan and Abel outside of Eden.

Who was speaking about natural eye sight...... everything we see is created from the unseen. Nothing has it's beginnings outside of us.......imagination is the beginning of creation. Namaste

Yeah He spoke to them; OUTSIDE OF THEM, just like their parents after the fall you deny. And they hid when they realized they were not under His covering when He spoke, the same reason people run today when their uncovered soul hears Him speak. Peace

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