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When Jesus says to the disciples to go and make disciples - is that a command that we should do?
You are not serving two masters. The Spirit in believers today is the same Spirit the resided in those who wrote the content in the Bible.
2 Peter 1:20-21 - But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
This is how bibliolators stifle the Spirit and make the Bible a limitation ON that Spirit. Saying that the Bible as received is FROM God is simply not true and everything in it is subject to confirmation BY the Spirit as acknowledged by the characteristics OF the Spirit taught by Jesus.
This is not just a trivial departure from what Jesus taught, it is the most divisive doctrine ever to assault the Christian faith, resulting in all the useless and divisive doctrines tht have been promulgated within that history.
Last edited by nateswift; 05-09-2017 at 08:53 AM..
When Jesus says to the disciples to go and make disciples - is that a command that we should do?
You are not serving two masters. The Spirit in believers today is the same Spirit the resided in those who wrote the content in the Bible.
2 Peter 1:20-21 - But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
This is how bibliolators stifle the Spirit and make the Bible a limitation ON that Spirit. Saying that the Bible as received is FROM God is simply not true and everything in it is subject to confirmation BY the Spirit as acknowledged by the characteristics OF the Spirit taught by Jesus. This is not just a trivial departure from what Jesus taught, it is the most divisive doctrine ever to assault the Christian faith, resulting in all the useless and divisive doctrines tht have been promulgated within that history.
You say the most divisive doctrine is that the Bible is from God.
When Jesus says to the disciples to go and make disciples - is that a command that we should do?
You are not serving two masters. The Spirit in believers today is the same Spirit the resided in those who wrote the content in the Bible.
2 Peter 1:20-21 - But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
Correct.
And this:
2 Peter 3:15
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
All these anti-Paul people here aren't dismissing Paul ... and one day these anti-Paul people will have to account for their selective despising of God's Word the Bible.
You say the most divisive doctrine is that the Bible is from God.
What did Jesus teach regarding this?
He taught that the Spirit would be our Guide and never mentioned a book as such an authority. He did quote some things from the then current book that were regarded as true and some that needed a new look.
2 Peter 3:15
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
All these anti-Paul people here aren't dismissing Paul ... and one day these anti-Paul people will have to account for their selective despising of God's Word the Bible.
If I were anti-Paul, you might have a point, but once again I challenge not the Word, but the recording as authority. The Word is ALWAYS confirmed by the Spirit. the writing that is purported to convey that Word is not always so confirmed.
Try to keep the message clear. It is hnot that everything in the Bible is wrong, but that everything in the Bible must be substantiated by the Spirit Jesus taught about.
Spirit=Guide or authority
Bible=subject to that authority, not equal to it.
He taught that the Spirit would be our Guide and never mentioned a book as such an authority. He did quote some things from the then current book that were regarded as true and some that needed a new look.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Try to keep the message clear. It is not that everything in the Bible is wrong, but that everything in the Bible must be substantiated by the Spirit Jesus taught about.
Spirit=Guide or authority
Bible=subject to that authority, not equal to it.
When of the wrong spirit, they know not what they do.
He taught that the Spirit would be our Guide and never mentioned a book as such an authority. He did quote some things from the then current book that were regarded as true and some that needed a new look.
The first thing Jesus did to start His ministry was read from the Scriptures. He frequently quoted from the Scriptures. The Scriptures, through those who wrote the content and the Holy Spirit that guided them, predicted Jesus' death and resurrection.
The Scriptures are a necessary part of following Christ. I know you want to attempt to call it idolizing the book - but anyone who has followed the Lord for a time knows that your accusation is nonsense. I guess Jesus idolized the Scriptures as well...
The first thing Jesus did to start His ministry was read from the Scriptures. He frequently quoted from the Scriptures. The Scriptures, through those who wrote the content and the Holy Spirit that guided them, predicted Jesus' death and resurrection.
The Scriptures are a necessary part of following Christ. I know you want to attempt to call it idolizing the book - but anyone who has followed the Lord for a time knows that your accusation is nonsense. I guess Jesus idolized the Scriptures as well...
Exactly. Scholars estimate that at least 80% of the NT is referring to OT scriptures. I personally think it's more like 95% with the rest being Jewish idioms. Peace
The first thing Jesus did to start His ministry was read from the Scriptures. He frequently quoted from the Scriptures. The Scriptures, through those who wrote the content and the Holy Spirit that guided them, predicted Jesus' death and resurrection.
The Scriptures are a necessary part of following Christ. I know you want to attempt to call it idolizing the book - but anyone who has followed the Lord for a time knows that your accusation is nonsense. I guess Jesus idolized the Scriptures as well...
He did not idolize them, he set himself apart from them.
Growing in wisdom and stature, beyond the temple walls.
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