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(audio) "Here's what I told a Muslim caller who asked what Christians mean by Jesus as the "Son of God"
Listen: ihrarchive.org/archive/PATCLIP-20170525.mp3
Show info: ihradio.com/Patrick
Here is a really good answer for him. So sad Muslims think we are Godless people and they can kill Godless people. So much misconceptions when it comes to culture and religion.
(audio) "Here's what I told a Muslim caller who asked what Christians mean by Jesus as the "Son of God"
Listen: ihrarchive.org/archive/PATCLIP-20170525.mp3
Show info: ihradio.com/Patrick
Here is a really good answer for him. So sad Muslims think we are Godless people and they can kill Godless people. So much misconceptions when it comes to culture and religion.
Hang on .. Don"t christians believe anyone never mind nations and cultures that do not believe in Jesus are godless ?
(audio) "Here's what I told a Muslim caller who asked what Christians mean by Jesus as the "Son of God"
Listen: ihrarchive.org/archive/PATCLIP-20170525.mp3
Show info: ihradio.com/Patrick
Here is a really good answer for him. So sad Muslims think we are Godless people and they can kill Godless people. So much misconceptions when it comes to culture and religion.
Indeed.
Christians won’t usually come out and say that they think*all*Muslims are terrorists. But many do assume that the majority of Muslims support terrorism, albeit quietly. Much has been written about*how Islam was established “by the sword,” or how Muslims engaging in terrorist activity are simply obeying what the Qur’an tells them to do. It is certainly easy to find Muslims using the Qur’an to justify violence. Even when you give the Qur’an a charitable reading, asking “What would Muhammad do?” will lead to a very different place than “What would Jesus do?”
That said, most of the Muslims you encounter—either in Western or in Islamic countries—are not violent people. They are kind, peaceful people and they are often embarrassed by the actions of Muslims throughout the world. While there is a good chance they see world politics*very*differently from the average Westerner, you will most likely find them warm, hospitable, and kind.
Yes, sincere Muslims believe that Islam will one day rule the world. And we can certainly chide Muslims for not speaking out more against terrorism. But we won’t get very far with them when we assume things about them that are not true. Just as we hate to be maligned, they hate it also.
Christians won’t usually come out and say that they think*all*Muslims are terrorists. But many do assume that the majority of Muslims support terrorism, albeit quietly. Much has been written about*how Islam was established “by the sword,” or how Muslims engaging in terrorist activity are simply obeying what the Qur’an tells them to do. It is certainly easy to find Muslims using the Qur’an to justify violence. Even when you give the Qur’an a charitable reading, asking “What would Muhammad do?” will lead to a very different place than “What would Jesus do?”
That said, most of the Muslims you encounter—either in Western or in Islamic countries—are not violent people. They are kind, peaceful people and they are often embarrassed by the actions of Muslims throughout the world. While there is a good chance they see world politics*very*differently from the average Westerner, you will most likely find them warm, hospitable, and kind.
Yes, sincere Muslims believe that Islam will one day rule the world. And we can certainly chide Muslims for not speaking out more against terrorism. But we won’t get very far with them when we assume things about them that are not true. Just as we hate to be maligned, they hate it also.
I think that's the same problem most people would have whether they believe or have no religion. Any attempt to force something onto others is initially peaceful, but eventually violent. ...And that is the essence of 'rule'. That is why the better, correct translation with respect to Jesus 'ruling the nation's with a rod of iron' is the picture of shepherding and the shepherd's staff - there's no coercion going on. As long as the ruling part doesn't happen, I can see a day coming when Christians perceive the kingdom of God and Muslims perceive Islam is being practiced, and the mark of the relationship between the two would be love.
Last edited by Age-enduring; 05-27-2017 at 12:23 AM..
This: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Came from this: Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
I have a hard time seeing a shepherd's hook being used to dash sheep in pieces like a potter's vessel, especially since iron speaks of judgment (to the flesh). Peace
This: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Came from this: Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
I have a hard time seeing a shepherd's hook being used to dash sheep in pieces like a potter's vessel, especially since iron speaks of judgment (to the flesh). Peace
We would need to read this in context. So many people read the bible out of context and many are led astray because of that.
I'm sure you're right about use of iron for judgement. I think what is interesting is how people perceive that rod practically manifesting it's effect in people - the flesh, and what needs to happen with it, other than physical death, is a complex subject, especially with its use often as a metaphor for such as generational curses, strongholds, and lusts, etc. The flesh is where they hide, right.
As to shepherding:
Berean literal Bible:
and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken in pieces--just as I also have received from My Father.
This: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Came from this: Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
I have a hard time seeing a shepherd's hook being used to dash sheep in pieces like a potter's vessel, especially since iron speaks of judgment (to the flesh). Peace
There is only one thing we strike with the rod of iron in judgement.... our own thoughts and ways. Why ? because there is none to hange but ourselves.
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