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Old 07-07-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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1Cor 12:8 . . For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit

The koiné Greek word for "wisdom" is sophia (sof-ee'-ah); an ambiguous word that can indicate worldly smarts and/or heavenly smarts.

Worldly smarts would include fields such as tax consultants, financial advisors, fashion and style gurus, fitness coaches, lawyers, auto mechanics, physical therapists, golf pros, health specialists, viz: someone who, because of their expertise and/or education in a given field, qualifies them to render expert and/or professional counseling regarding a particular matter.

I really don't think 1Cor 12:8 is talking about professionals, rather, just ordinary people in church with a head on their shoulders, i.e. sensible, unusually canny people that others can look to for advice about a variety of life's thorny problems when they're stumped and don't know what they should do.

Just because someone has been around the block a time or two, and/or graduated from the school of hard knocks, doesn't make them "gifted" with the word of wisdom. No, the person we're talking about here gets their word of wisdom through the Spirit.

I often hear about a category of wisdom called common sense; which everybody is supposed to have but of which many seem deprived. It's a humanistic wisdom produced by the intellect of a three-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within humanity's bony little skulls. Well; the kind of sense we're talking about here isn't that, no, we're talking about the Spirit's sense. When someone in a church is endowed with that, they are a seriously valuable asset.

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Old 07-07-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Thank you for this, NyawehNyoh. You post causes me to recall...
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A Hopi Indian named Sun Chief once said:

"I had learned many English words and could recite part of the Ten Commandments.
I knew how to sleep on a bed, pray to Jesus, comb my hair, eat with a knife and fork, and use a toilet.
I had also learned that a person thinks with his head instead of his heart.
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How our society robbed much true wealth of the aboriginals touches the heart through these melancholic words.
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Old 07-08-2017, 03:17 AM
 
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The wisdom of God for Christians are prudence in the spirit , the spiritual ability to listen to God and do what he says , as God is NOT evil ....... One rule is to love your neighbor as you self to be a child of God ...... The only way to receive the gift of wisdom is through the baptism of the Holy Spirit
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Old 07-08-2017, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'd have to say that there are individuals given insight into how to apply that love that is the foundation of Christian community. It is often not easy.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Post Re: Rules Governing The Gift Of Wisdom

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Jacob's son Joseph had God-given smarts.

Acts 7:9-10 . . Because the patriarchs were jealous of Joseph, they sold him as a slave into Egypt. But God was with him and rescued him from all his troubles. He gave Joseph wisdom and enabled him to gain the goodwill of Pharaoh king of Egypt; so he made him ruler over Egypt and all his palace.

Joseph's God-given smarts enabled him to do very well in Egypt in spite of his rather unfortunate circumstances. But the best thing is: Joseph himself not only benefited from God-given smarts, but so did his family and a countless number of desperate people in that day; helpless victims of a lengthy, wide-spread famine.

All spiritual gifts are meant for the benefit of more souls than just one's own.

1Cor 12:4-7 . . There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

Yes; for the "common" good rather than only one's own personal good.

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Old 07-08-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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The only way to receive the gift of wisdom is through the baptism of the Holy Spirit


Amen. Should be obvious. Peace
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Old 07-08-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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1Cor 12:8 . . For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit

The koiné Greek word for "wisdom" is sophia (sof-ee'-ah); an ambiguous word that can indicate worldly smarts and/or heavenly smarts.

Worldly smarts would include fields such as tax consultants, financial advisors, fashion and style gurus, fitness coaches, lawyers, auto mechanics, physical therapists, golf pros, health specialists, viz: someone who, because of their expertise and/or education in a given field, qualifies them to render expert and/or professional counseling regarding a particular matter.

I really don't think 1Cor 12:8 is talking about professionals, rather, just ordinary people in church with a head on their shoulders, i.e. sensible, unusually canny people that others can look to for advice about a variety of life's thorny problems when they're stumped and don't know what they should do.

Just because someone has been around the block a time or two, and/or graduated from the school of hard knocks, doesn't make them "gifted" with the word of wisdom. No, the person we're talking about here gets their word of wisdom through the Spirit.

I often hear about a category of wisdom called common sense; which everybody is supposed to have but of which many seem deprived. It's a humanistic wisdom produced by the intellect of a three-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within humanity's bony little skulls. Well; the kind of sense we're talking about here isn't that, no, we're talking about the Spirit's sense. When someone in a church is endowed with that, they are a seriously valuable asset.

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Word of wisdom is one of the gifts given through the baptism in the HG, which gives the SPIRITUAL gifts. They are not related in any way to any natural giftings man might possess, nor do they operate under his control or direction, because they ARE the gifts OF the SPIRIT.

Word of wisdom is the 2nd of the speaking gifts listed, the first being word of knowledge, the latter being, to prophesy. It is in that order for a reason, because those 3 gifts are used in that order by the Spirit. They, together, effect the same action as when the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters that was void and without form.

People, being as waters, are void (devoid of the Spirit) and without form (image and nature of Christ formed in them), until His Spirit begins to do a work in them and on them.
These gifts, when truly in operation, do exactly that, the WORKS of the Spirit, as the HG we are told, does the works, remembering that He SPOKE the world into existence. So too do the speaking gifts operated by Him speak things into existence.

Sadly, there are few in the body at large who have ever seen these gifts in operation, because the lies told regarding the baptism in the HG and the gifts, by carnally minded men have served to choke the Spirit right out of their presence and into silence. Peace
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:29 PM
 
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Solomon had God-given smarts.

1Kgs 3:12 . . I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be.

1Kgs 3:28 . . All Israel held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.

1Kgs 4:29-31 . . God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. Solomon's wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the men of the East, and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt. He was wiser than any other man.

1Kgs 10:24 . .The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.

Solomon was a prolific writer, but only three of his works survive in the Bible: Proverbs, Song, and Ecclesiastes. Proverbs is valuable as spiritual counseling, while Ecclesiastes is valuable as philosophical counseling.

There has never been an equal to Solomon's God-given smarts, but there has been someone's smarts superior to his. (Matt 12:42)

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Old 07-10-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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Solomon had God-given smarts.

1Kgs 3:12 . . I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be.

1Kgs 3:28 . . All Israel held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.

1Kgs 4:29-31 . . God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. Solomon's wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the men of the East, and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt. He was wiser than any other man.

1Kgs 10:24 . .The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.

Solomon was a prolific writer, but only three of his works survive in the Bible: Proverbs, Song, and Ecclesiastes. Proverbs is valuable as spiritual counseling, while Ecclesiastes is valuable as philosophical counseling.

There has never been an equal to Solomon's God-given smarts, but there has been someone's smarts superior to his. (Matt 12:42)

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Old 07-11-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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God-given smarts aren't limited to politics and religion. He also equips people with practical smarts too; for example:

Ex 28:2-4 . .You shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty. And you shall speak to all the skillful persons whom I have endowed with the spirit of wisdom, that they make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister as priest to Me.

Years ago I attended a very large church in San Diego whose minister of music decided the choir needed new robes. They were purchased from a vendor at what I thought was a ridiculous expense when the ladies' sewing club could have made them at no cost for labor, and with much cheaper fabric too that would have served just as well as the high-end stuff.

Somebody endowed with the gift of the word of wisdom needed to sit down with that director and talk to him about waste and abuse of church resources.

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