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Soon? Is that to say you haven't gotten any gifts yet? What has "real" love cost you? I was under the impression real love was free and unconditional.
yes some of my gifts have been seeing my dead ancestors alive and way more precious gifts than that recently , way more precious .. . and if he quits giving gifts, wisdom, truth , plans, and more, way more than I can share .. right now it would have been way more than enough to give him everything I have for my whole life. though I did not do it for what I would get and still don't want to take anything until it is all over with.... . though heaven is a treasured reward for all.. I still want to help and not sit on a cloud someplace if there is even
that available.. which there probably isn't .
as I did give it all to him and ask for nothing and I really want little to nothing for myself ..but to some way help protect the children during those maybe 21-24 years.. change diapers and wash bottles and grow food.. and I really also wish my loved ones are saved and or given the chance to know him..( meaning the alive now and resurrected ones ,especially those who had not heard his word , but I know the resurrected ones will remember the ancient promises and HE will be familiar/ family to them also ) ..
you see Love is a choice and love costs you everything because Love is commitments/ contracts/ covenants to each other. Whoever told you Love was free is deceived and probably very very lonely !! because your most precious gifts in this and the next life are the ones that have cost you the most ( time energy , money, tears , study, health , sleep etc etc ) .. no they are no more free than a true mother/ child, husband /wife , Father /son, family/ family , even friends to friends costs you in a relationships ,. These covenants will cost you a lot to even everything you have !! but they are gifts you give willingly.. No these will cost you every ounce of everything you have to give plus some you didn't know you had.and you give it willingly. then you have to add some faithful to those commitments and covenants to make them REAL and Binding . then you have a most precious thing this life will ever offer anyone .
and I fail there bad.. faithful part of " Hopes all things" .. in my soul turns out I'm one of the 10 spies who says "Nope we can't go there , there is giants and it is not practical.." oops... bad me.. he is still working on my" faith" and
" I believes" are what he believes . because only what He believes is truth .
Commitments are not a "take" situation , it is a "give" relationship . it is what you promise to give or provide with a free and open heart to someone else , no matter if they can give you something back or not, they treasure it or not. if they respond or not , if they show you they care or not. .
now the salvation commitment from God requires no righteousness to start a relationship with him.. in that way it is free to all.. but like any family ( Father /child) or any kind of friendship, it will cost you or you won't be close friends at all .
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you didn't watch any of those videos.. and thus I should not respond and won't do that again.. but I will answer this one.. I see the results in society of what and where their love goes and how it ends I been watching since the 6o's .. it is not GOD!! and everything less is death to the soul . codependencies other such stuff that allows a person to justify watching another die a slow miserable death of their souls.. sounds melodramatic ? No that it is the truth ...
God is now starting to hand out gifts ( the Katubah, marriage promises, Note they are from the Father ) to those who have seen themselves rightly in the law and in the face of His love and and met him at the foot of the cross . and know who and what they are and are not by his definitions not their own .
they have learned what real Love is and have carried that cross for others as well and we all walk like that duck or die .
but their rewards for their FAITHFULNess are about here and their pay day is coming. there is no added curse for your kinds of love, it is the curse... the curse is here now.... there is just blessing for doing it his way.. blessings are coming for those who found him in the fundamentals .
Soon? Is that to say you haven't gotten any gifts yet? What has "real" love cost you? I was under the impression real love was free and unconditional.
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yes some of my gifts have been seeing my dead ancestors alive and way more precious gifts than that recently , way more precious .. . and if he quits giving gifts, wisdom, truth , plans, and more, way more than I can share .. right now it would have been way more than enough to give him everything I have for my whole life. though I did not do it for what I would get and still don't want to take anything until it is all over with.... . though heaven is a treasured reward for all.. I still want to help and not sit on a cloud someplace if there is even
that available.. which there probably isn't .
as I did give it all to him and ask for nothing and I really want little to nothing for myself ..but to some way help protect the children during those maybe 21-24 years.. change diapers and wash bottles and grow food.. and I really also wish my loved ones are saved and or given the chance to know him..( meaning the alive now and resurrected ones ,especially those who had not heard his word , but I know the resurrected ones will remember the ancient promises and HE will be familiar/ family to them also ) ..
I hear you saying you want to pay your gifts forward. You couldn't possibly pay God back so your only choice is to pay it forward. I think that's what the Bible is trying to show us with scriptures like John 13
…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…
and what does love look like:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7New International Version (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Is God keeping tabs on your mistakes?
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you see Love is a choice and love costs you everything because Love is commitments/ contracts/ covenants to each other. Whoever told you Love was free is deceived and probably very very lonely !! because your most precious gifts in this and the next life are the ones that have cost you the most ( time energy , money, tears , study, health , sleep etc etc ) .. no they are no more free than a true mother/ child, husband /wife , Father /son, family/ family , even friends to friends costs you in a relationships ,. These covenants will cost you a lot to even everything you have !! but they are gifts you give willingly.. No these will cost you every ounce of everything you have to give plus some you didn't know you had.and you give it willingly. then you have to add some faithful to those commitments and covenants to make them REAL and Binding . then you have a most precious thing this life will ever offer anyone .
You said it. What's the point to even having those things if you can't give it away.
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and I fail there bad.. faithful part of " Hopes all things" .. in my soul turns out I'm one of the 10 spies who says "Nope we can't go there , there is giants and it is not practical.." oops... bad me.. he is still working on my" faith" and
" I believes" are what he believes . because only what He believes is truth .
Well, knock it off then.
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Commitments are not a "take" situation , it is a "give" relationship . it is what you promise to give or provide with a free and open heart to someone else , no matter if they can give you something back or not, they treasure it or not. if they respond or not , if they show you they care or not. .
now the salvation commitment from God requires no righteousness to start a relationship with him.. in that way it is free to all.. but like any family ( Father /child) or any kind of friendship, it will cost you or you won't be close friends at all .
That sounds like a pretty good description of unconditional love. It may cost the giver but not the receiver. I don't think the word cost really fits anyway.
I'm glad you got the house, Jaeniee. That's awesome. I really am happy for you, and your hubby. I pray he doesn't need his CPAP thing someday.
It's been asked why I'm so angry. I'll tell you. Im angry because I'm hurting. I'm tired of people telling me I'm not good enough for Jesus, whom I love. Im tired of people making dehumanizing statements. I'm tired of seeing loving, committed relationships reduced to sex acts. I'm tired of having to defend my faith from other Christians. I get stuff like this every day it seems, and defending against it reopens old wounds. So I never get to truly heal, the scars just keep getting ripped open. I came into the Christianity forum after I joined C-D, I was looking for loving community, because I had lost everything that mattered to me not long before. I did find a few that are very loving, amazing wonderful people, but I also found judgment, and condescension....a few back when I first started telling my story sided with my family, saying they did the right thing in disowning me. I come here for refuge, because mainstream society can be incredibly cruel to those like me. I came here for refuge, and I found many behaving the same way mainstream society behaved toward me. That is why I'm hurt, that is why I am angry.
Geekigurl,
if you are still on City Data, well, I sent you a friend request.
I have two gay friends who are very religious, and they are wonderful. I know two women who got married this year, as these men had, and they are wonderful.
You can not in any way change the fundamentalists due to their brainwashing. They will come at you like pit bulls. You have to be strong, be sure of yourself, and really know that God doesn't judge. I have been judged by the Jehovah's Witnesses, and it took me years to get over it. I have been judged by Christians because I am not a Christian, but I know that God exists and is a God of Love. I don't listen to them in the lest but I will try to educate them if they would only listen, which as I said, they don't.
I hear you saying you want to pay your gifts forward. You couldn't possibly pay God back so your only choice is to pay it forward. I think that's what the Bible is trying to show us with scriptures like John 13
…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…
and what does love look like:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7New International Version (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
I hear you saying you want to pay your gifts forward. You couldn't possibly pay God back so your only choice is to pay it forward. I think that's what the Bible is trying to show us with scriptures like John 13
you do not know what the ketubah is, do you? and thus you just questioned me and my values. so it is you who didn't know what you are judging me about.
Side note Hannibal, what is said here is said of a marriage of flesh and spirit, a marriage of the law. Jesus didn't suddenly lose his mind by blurting out this of marriage, the entire chapter is about a marriage in one person.
14And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. 16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery
you do not know what the ketubah is, do you? and thus you just questioned me and my values. so it is you who didn't know what you are judging me about.
Why would I know that? I don't get how you saw me questioning you in that.
A ketubah (Hebrew: כְּתוּבָּה, "written thing"; pl. ketubot) is a special type of Jewish prenuptial agreement. It is considered an integral part of a traditional Jewish marriage, and outlines the rights and responsibilities of the groom, in relation to the bride. In modern practice, the ketubah has no agreed monetary value, and is never enforced.[1]
I hear you saying you want to pay your gifts forward. You couldn't possibly pay God back so your only choice is to pay it forward. I think that's what the Bible is trying to show us with scriptures like John 13
…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…
and what does love look like:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7New International Version (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
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Amen.
I will second that.
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