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Old 10-21-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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Ah, the presumtive accussation that Kim Davis committed adultry is the bases for the thread.
A certificate for Divorce is permitted if a spouse has committed adultry.
If Kim Davis divorced for this reason then the marriage was legally annulled. And if she remarried it is fine.
If this were the case she has not committed adultry.

The outright accussation is slander.
And libel.
Typically divorce records are sealed and not public record.
So if this be the case with Kim davis.
She can sue for libel.
Incidentally, court records show Davis has a marital history encompassing four marriages (to three different men) and she bore two children outside of wedlock. She has been married to her current husband twice, with a divorce and another husband in between. When asked about this "dissonance," Davis replied that her objection to issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples was not based on any sin she thinks the couple might commit. She said it was based on the Biblical definition of marriage as “a union between one man and one woman. That’s different from giving licenses to people who have been divorced," she said. The Bible prohibits divorce in most cases, but Davis said, “That’s between them and God.”
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Old 10-21-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Yes, that is what I was asking about.

Kim Davis, for example, committed adultery and remained in an adulterous state with her second--and then third--husband.

But she refused to issue the marriage certificate to the same-sex couple "because of her sincerely held religious belief."
Yes I see the conflict there.

If Kim is now a Christian, then she is a new woman. A new born again creature. The old has passed away, including sins, and the new has begun. So she is not living in an adulterous state. An Adulterer is the name given for an unsaved individual involved in sexual sin.

Kim, if saved, has the obligation to make Gods laws trump mans. So with that, she had no choice but to deny the marriage certificate (aka decree it's called in the bible) by risking her job. Or she could quit but that would be loosing out on a job versus just the risk you could loose your job. If she needed the job then the conclusion is as expected.
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Old 10-21-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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Anyone who divorces and marries another (while the former partner is still alive) commits adultery. Adultery is a sin punishable by death. Source: the Bible.
But of course most of the Christian world does not believe that as most of the Christian world would go ahead and bake a cake for the wedding reception. However those who do believe only after death may someone have sex with a second person then under freedom of religion those people should be able to avoid wedding services if they knew going in that the marriage would not be valid in their eyes.
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Old 10-21-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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Yes I see the conflict there.

If Kim is now a Christian, then she is a new woman. A new born again creature. The old has passed away, including sins, and the new has begun. So she is not living in an adulterous state. An Adulterer is the name given for an unsaved individual involved in sexual sin.

Kim, if saved, has the obligation to make Gods laws trump mans. So with that, she had no choice but to deny the marriage certificate (aka decree it's called in the bible) by risking her job. Or she could quit but that would be loosing out on a job versus just the risk you could loose your job. If she needed the job then the conclusion is as expected.
Other people quit their jobs over it. She had a choice so it wasn't God's law trumps man it was Kim keeping her job trumped man's law and by extension God's law. Shouldn't she turn away from sin if she's saved? Why would it be adultery for an unsaved person but the same thing is not adultery for a saved person. If she is supposedly saved I would think she would feel a greater urge to not sin. It's a continuing sin as long as she remains in that marriage. (I guess it's really hubby 2/4)
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Incidentally, court records show Davis has a marital history encompassing four marriages (to three different men) and she bore two children outside of wedlock. She has been married to her current husband twice, with a divorce and another husband in between. When asked about this "dissonance," Davis replied that her objection to issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples was not based on any sin she thinks the couple might commit. She said it was based on the Biblical definition of marriage as “a union between one man and one woman. That’s different from giving licenses to people who have been divorced," she said. The Bible prohibits divorce in most cases, but Davis said, “That’s between them and God.”
FTR, this is biblical. The closest example in scripture to Kim is the circumstance of the adulteres about to be stoned. Her history, akin to Kim's, is to "have had many husbands" to which Jesus replied " YOU TELL THE TRUTH, and the man you are with now is not your husband"
If you notice the wording here, this adulteress called Jesus LORD. This is keyThis means Jesus is dealing with one of his own.

He is dealing with a SAINT who is backsliding, not a Sinner aka Adulteress, who knows nothing but to sin. So he dealt with her as one of his own. He saved her life, TWICE. Once via a bodily stoning to death and the second time, later, via her resurrection to heaven. He also instructed her to "Go and Sin NO MORE"

The only people who can "go and sin no more" are Christians. Because humans, in the flesh without the holy spirit physically present with them (Jesus) or the holy spirit given after his death, cannot do so. Mere humans imputed with Christs righteousness (after his death & resuurection) can resist sin. And when they do not, that sin is covered via the lambs blood so they are still viewed as pure and holy pertaining to salvation. Slowly a Christian does conform to Christs image...meaning to sin less, or they are not a Christ Follower.
But everyone starts at a different stage of the game. Some people were huge bigtime sinners with many tickets racked up, and others, not so much.

So Kim is correct.

Adultery is a sin and so is divorce for the wrong reasons. Because GOD joined the man and the woman together in holy matrimonyt having them become one flesh. No one is to tear that flesh apart. But to issue validity to a marriage, that coming together that god does via one flesh, the bride of Christ, IS NOT defined as a marriage when it is not a man and woman. They cannot come together as their bodies weren't created to do so. Literrally, spiritually, figuratively, you name it.

Homosexuality is a sin so heinous GOD destroyed an entire city due to it, is another thing all together. Sure they were rapists also, not just homosexuals but homosexuality is so condemned anyhow. And Rape occurs all over the place but only cities Sodom & Gomorrah were entirely destroyed over these homosexual rapists. Allowing only Gods own to escape. This is the only example of homsoexuality in scripture and it is linking them to being rapists. That is because that is pretty much how they got that way in the first place. A homosexual rapist got to them to groom them into what they are. A study on the word effeminate will explain this

Everyone will sin, including Saints, but they are not mastered by their sin nor viewed as tainted because of it. God defines marriage, Kim doesn't get to. Even if she tried by issuing marriage licenses that direcly oppose Gods laws. That directly oppose the sanctity of marriage and the roles assigned to each sex. Trying to call homosexuality the exact opposite of what it is, a covenant of GOD, is horrendous. Kim has no right to do so. And imho, there is no reason why she should be persecuted (loose her job) for following the true laws of the land. For following truth. No matter how much of a sinner she was.

Adultery is very very bad. No one questions that. Homosexuality is very very bad, no one questions that, as is rape. But had ANY person involved in all of these sins combined responded to Jesus as the Adulteress did, they would be viewed as the Saint they are. A backslider with the ability to "Go and sin no more" in the future. Seen as pure and righteous no matter what. eserving of salvation. Since now the adulteress had the holy spirit present with her asking her where her accusers went. After jesus death and resurection, the holy spirit was a gift given to all Saints who died and rose with, that holy spirit we call Jesus. AKA God the Father, AKA God the son.

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Old 10-21-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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Yes I see the conflict there.

If Kim is now a Christian, then she is a new woman. A new born again creature. The old has passed away, including sins, and the new has begun. So she is not living in an adulterous state. An Adulterer is the name given for an unsaved individual involved in sexual sin.

Kim, if saved, has the obligation to make Gods laws trump mans. So with that, she had no choice but to deny the marriage certificate (aka decree it's called in the bible) by risking her job. Or she could quit but that would be loosing out on a job versus just the risk you could loose your job. If she needed the job then the conclusion is as expected.
Then by the same token, aren't Christian homosexuals forgiven?
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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The only example of homsoexuals in scripture is linking them to rape. That is because that is pretty much how they got that way in the first place. They were raped as boys by grown men (do an indept study on effeminate, how that transpires).
Can you provide a link? I've always wondered why some people are gay.
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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As an addendum to my previous post ...every week thousands of 'scriptural adulterers' are welcomed into the pews of countless churches throughout the world. These are those who have divorced and remarried ...a scriptural no-no. Few of the professed Bible-believers who would not bake a cake or approve of a cake for a gay wedding would not hesitate to do so for any of these 'adulterous' couples. Please, someone, explain why this is so.
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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Other people quit their jobs over it. She had a choice so it wasn't God's law trumps man it was Kim keeping her job trumped man's law and by extension God's law. Shouldn't she turn away from sin if she's saved? Why would it be adultery for an unsaved person but the same thing is not adultery for a saved person. If she is supposedly saved I would think she would feel a greater urge to not sin. It's a continuing sin as long as she remains in that marriage. (I guess it's really hubby 2/4)
Kim had a choice to either quit her job, or adhere to Gods laws while employed. I suppose she could've copped out and quit, to avoid being pressured to sin but she chose to endure that pressure and continue her duties as best she could. Commendable


What the unbelieving world does to persecute her for adhering to Gods laws is expected. It will be offensive to unbelievers. They will not be in unity with her, only the believers will. That is what the unbelievers do. No worries. She took up and carried her cross just fine. Good for her
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Old 10-21-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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Can you provide a link? I've always wondered why some people are gay.
People aren't gay. There is no such thing. There is a such thing as an act of homosexuality in which is a sin anyone can commit. It has nothing to do with how we feel. Our feelings are not to be trusted, especially when they lead us into ungodly mindset.


Offhand no. I didn't learn it from a link. I studied the greek word definition, and where it's found in the bible. Usually I use bible gateway.
It is just from my personal study but with porn being all over, especially the soft core homo porn, we are all being "groomed" essentially. With this sin being so celebrated, it's inevitable it will grow as time passes. Anyhow I better stick to the OP.
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