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Anyone who divorces and marries another (while the former partner is still alive) commits adultery. Adultery is a sin punishable by death. Source: the Bible.
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Originally Posted by pinacled
Wrong.
Yeshua spoke of this.
"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Well, let's see. If we take out 'except for sexual immorality' the sentence would read, "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery. That's how it should read. The 'except for sexual immorality' is connected to the first part of the sentence and not the latter part of the sentence. In other words, divorce IS permissible in the case of infidelity while remarriage is considered 'adultery' in ALL cases.
Just think about it. For someone who divorces their partner because of infidelity and desires to remarry, they would need to find a suitable partner, a partner who had never previously married or one who had ALSO divorced their partner because of infidelity. It gets too complicated. A sexual relationship with ANYONE OTHER than the original marital partner would be considered to be adultery whether the former partner had cheated or not. The only acceptable form of remarriage would be for one to forgive the offending partner and reconcile the relationship.
All of this is a rather moot point anyway since most of today's divorces are 'no-fault' ...consequently, we have church pews throughout the world that are filled with 'scriptural adulterers'. How come no one appears to refuse service or membership to a scriptural adulterer as they do with gays and gay weddings? Could it be that professed Christians commonly resort to double standards when it serves their purpose?
same reason a football game doesn't allow a baseball player on the field, i guess. the whole anti-gay thing is confusing. But that doesn't mean i have to hang around the "in your face I am gay" types either.
Kim had a choice to either quit her job, or adhere to Gods laws while employed. I suppose she could've copped out and quit, to avoid being pressured to sin but she chose to endure that pressure and continue her duties as best she could. Commendable
What the unbelieving world does to persecute her for adhering to Gods laws is expected. It will be offensive to unbelievers. They will not be in unity with her, only the believers will. That is what the unbelievers do. No worries. She took up and carried her cross just fine. Good for her
Quitting wouldn't have been a cop out the way I see it. Those people that did quit are the ones to be commended. There is no persecution her at all. She chose to go to bat for her job not God and in doing so made a spectacle of herself and did not adhere to the Bible principle about obeying the civil law. Even if she wasn't in an adulteress second marriage I would say the same thing. If it came down to asking her to do something she didn't feel comfortable doing she should have trusted in God and given up her job. She didn't have a gun to her head she had money pointed at her and she chose the money. That's how it looks to me. I've got to give this round to Westboro. The cross she carried is the one she created by what she did in this situation.
Later on in second corintians the bible outlines additional provisions for divorce as well. If one spouse abandons the other they are not held to the marriage. So there are multiple justified causes for divorce.
I think that these questions are asked when you are getting remarried in a church.
Check and see what it says about remarriage in these instances.
I see Romulus covered that. Funny that the divorce and remarry apologists miss that.
And the point that the distinction is made only because of anti-gay demagogues remains.
If it came down to asking her to do something she didn't feel comfortable doing she should have trusted in God and given up her job.
It was not her job to convict others, or deny them their right based on her personal belief.
Thus, she should have followed her own conscience and quit, if she didn't agree with it.
Check and see what it says about remarriage in these instances.
I see Romulus covered that. Funny that the divorce and remarry apologists miss that.
And the point that the distinction is made only because of anti-gay demagogues remains.
I will have to go back and look again but I dont remember there being an issue with remarriage if there were instances of abandonment or adultry. I know the catholic church takes a draconian stance on it but thats their inturpretation.
It is shown in the old testimate that additional exceptions are made (such as corinthians) when the law is simply too burdensome to comply with (as God put it - the hardness of mens hearts), in the old testimate a woman had to be given a certificate of divorce and to go back to your ex-wife was an abomination.
Since most people are not called to be eunchs it creates a sort of catch 22 if you inturpret it the way catholics do if you happen to be abandoned by a treterous partner, thats why people dont have issues baking them cakes.
Then the next question is what if you were the one to abandon, can you repent of that sin and remarry? IF you burn with passion you are to marry, this idea that just because you fell into an unfortunate sitaution that you are somehow going to become a eunch is absurd.
That said homosexuality is an abomination laid out in the old testimate and never again readdressed in the new testimate.
But from looking at the issues of marriage in totality in the bible God and man are always going back and forth on issues of marriage and sex between a man and a woman BUT for homosexual relationships or sex with animals its pretty clear cut, God detests it and thats it, there are no caviats or patch work to deal with marriage and divorce issues like this is with hetersexual unions.
I am not a medical research scientist and I dont know how many people are actually born gay or how many choose it, but in nature it is incredibly rare for an animal to be natually gay. I cant help but wonder if feminism has led to the gay phenomena where feminst women have made things so intolerable for men and the percentages of good women worth dating are so small that people just go gay ... I have been watching some youtube channels about this and its a very real thing, for a man finding a good woman who actually wants to be a woman and a wife is almost like finding a purple squirl
You half got it. Actually, this only refers to the wife, with no mention of the husband. Typical of the misogyny in the bible.
Gospel writer Luke wrote about fornication at Acts 15:20,29 Acts 21:25 and I don't see reference to just wife.
Because the word fornication (porneia) is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery as a reason for scriptural divorce, then having sex with an animal (porneia) would be scriptural grounds for divorce for either husband or wife.
Quitting wouldn't have been a cop out the way I see it. Those people that did quit are the ones to be commended. There is no persecution her at all. She chose to go to bat for her job not God and in doing so made a spectacle of herself and did not adhere to the Bible principle about obeying the civil law. Even if she wasn't in an adulteress second marriage I would say the same thing. If it came down to asking her to do something she didn't feel comfortable doing she should have trusted in God and given up her job. She didn't have a gun to her head she had money pointed at her and she chose the money. That's how it looks to me. I've got to give this round to Westboro. The cross she carried is the one she created by what she did in this situation.
What exact notion are you applying to.?
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.
Would you commend a child who deceptively built a replica bomb to incite panic.
Judges who take bribes pervert justice.
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to
Quitting wouldn't have been a cop out the way I see it. Those people that did quit are the ones to be commended. There is no persecution her at all. She chose to go to bat for her job not God and in doing so made a spectacle of herself and did not adhere to the Bible principle about obeying the civil law. Even if she wasn't in an adulteress second marriage I would say the same thing. If it came down to asking her to do something she didn't feel comfortable doing she should have trusted in God and given up her job. She didn't have a gun to her head she had money pointed at her and she chose the money. That's how it looks to me. I've got to give this round to Westboro. The cross she carried is the one she created by what she did in this situation.
You're right it may have been over-reaching to call it a cop out to quit her job. Nonetheless, she did no such thing anyhow.
Scripture doesn't command or teach that a Disciple of Christ "quit their job" every time it is required to disobey Gods laws.
As Christians, we stand our ground for our Savior, obeying him in all we do, and let the cards fall where they may.
We are here to Glorify GOD at every opportunity so that is what Christians do. It's what UNITES us. Unbelievers would love for Kim to step out of the light and Christ NOT BE glorified. Any excuse to point fingers to the wrong wrong. Call Good Evil.
We model Christ to the world. And Kim does not get to re-define marriage thru her job or private life. No Christian would promote such heresy.
She heeded Gods laws thus becoming a light for the world. Literally as it went viral. She stood for the truth of Gods covenant of Marriage by disobeying the Land of the Law when it opposes Gods law.
Jesus did the same when healing on the Sabbath. When carrying a bed. When pushing over the tables in what he labeled "Gods house, turned into a den of thieves"
If she's not saved the Apostle Pal says, unbelievers can be used to spread the gospel even if they have ill motives for doing it. So either way, God was glorified thru her decision
Good for her
Matthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
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You mentioned going to church as a child. Just for the Record, most churches are churches in name only. They call themselves a church though they are not. Apostle Paul set up the church in the book of Acts with guidelines which defines what a church is. So I am just saying that may not be a true church experience you had, even if you've attended a few or more. It took me 2 years to find a church. Listened to their sermons online and knew it was my home before even attending. Sadly it was a small church which disbanded.
We are moving to a town where there is a true church within 30 min. I've listened to his sermons online. He teaches nothing like my last pastor who graduated from the Masters Seminary and was pretty high up in a large church in Sun valley. It's a bit less intellectual. He is a Missionary Pastor. We'll be moving to Sierra County in about a month so will visit the new church then.
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the whole anti-gay thing is confusing. But that doesn't mean i have to hang around the "in your face I am gay" types either.
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