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Are Catholics told that papal infallible teachings are inspired by God and must be believed to avoid damnation?
To avoid damnation? Not sure about that one...but when a Pope speaks "from the chair of Peter", or "ex cathedra", he is said to be infallible. There is not a defined list of when Popes have done this. Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin says it's been done twice.
On February 22, 2014 the Pontifical Biblical Council released a new statement about the Bible's role in Catholicism:
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The Pontifical Biblical Commission’s document “The Inspiration and the truth of Sacred Scripture” argues for a “limited inerrancy” of Scripture (limited to the message of salvation) and reiterates historical-critical views about the un-reliability of the historical accounts of both the Old and the New Testament. It is a Roman Catholic blend of traditional and critical views of the Bible which finally exalts the role of the Church. While rejoicing for some fruits of the “biblical renewal” that is taking place in Roman Catholicism, especially as far as the encouragement to all to read the Scriptures is concerned, the battle for the truth of Scripture still rages. In no way has Rome come closer to Sola Scriptura, i.e. the obedience to the self-attesting Word of God written that truly witnesses to the person and work of Jesus Christ. Roman Catholicism has nuanced its position and has relaxed the sharp edges of its opposition, but it still maintains the prominence of the Church over the Bible.
To avoid damnation? Not sure about that one...but when a Pope speaks "from the chair of Peter", or "ex cathedra", he is said to be infallible. There is not a defined list of when Popes have done this. Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin says it's been done twice.
certainly this "chrism" is used only rarely and then only in rather specific and rigidly defined instances like those mentioned in the link. outside such situations, the Pope may speculate publically or give his opinion on all sorts of subjects religious or secular and Catholics are NOT required to believe or "obey" such statements nor are they obliged to take his "advice" on politics, national affairs, or stock options for that matter, LOL.
the non-partisan Wikipedia article "Papal Infallibility" is well worth a read about what the doctrine is AND isn't and what the Pope does (and does not do with it) especially the section on "instances of infallible declarations".
in the peace of Christ.
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The pope is human, and all humans are fallible. Follow the logic. People can say he's "infallible", and just as well say he can fly like a bird, but we know otherwise. Sorry. There's God up there, and all of us down here. No one's in between.
The pope is human, and all humans are fallible. Follow the logic. People can say he's "infallible", and just as well say he can fly like a bird, but we know otherwise. Sorry. There's God up there, and all of us down here. No one's in between.
just to be clear the pope's "infallibility" is NOT at all about him being "perfect" or "free from sin"---he's a sinner just like everybody else dependent on God's grace and mercy and I don't think any Catholic seriously thinks otherwise or ANY official dogma or belief of the church says otherwise.
AGAIN, right, wrong, or indifferent, Catholics believe that "papal infallibility" operates only through the protection of the Holy Spirit and only for the solemn definition of certain doctrines for the benefit and edification of the church and NOT about his knowledge of and control over astronomy, local politics, the price of tea in China, or if Catholics "must" buy a particular brand of car or type of cereal. it is by virtue of the office (and the grace of God) NOT the power of the man that this thing supposedly works---and no I would NOT take a stock tip from him!!!!
"If you're afraid of getting a rotten apple, don't go to the barrel. Get it off the tree." (Malone in The Untouchables)
Similarly, if you want to know what Catholics actually believe, it's best to ask the Catholics. Most Protestants who think they know what this means do not actually know what it means. Here:
just to be clear the pope's "infallibility" is NOT at all about him being "perfect" or "free from sin"---he's a sinner just like everybody else dependent on God's grace and mercy and I don't think any Catholic seriously thinks otherwise or ANY official dogma or belief of the church says otherwise.
AGAIN, right, wrong, or indifferent, Catholics believe that "papal infallibility" operates only through the protection of the Holy Spirit and only for the solemn definition of certain doctrines for the benefit and edification of the church and NOT about his knowledge of and control over astronomy, local politics, the price of tea in China, or if Catholics "must" buy a particular brand of car or type of cereal. it is by virtue of the office (and the grace of God) NOT the power of the man that this thing supposedly works---and no I would NOT take a stock tip from him!!!!
again, the Wikipedia article is really useful.
in the peace of Christ.
My concern is that even the Catholic Church cannot give a defined list of when it has been exercised. I'd love to be able to actually look at a defined list of them and compare them to what Scripture says.
My concern is that even the Catholic Church cannot give a defined list of when it has been exercised. I'd love to be able to actually look at a defined list of them and compare them to what Scripture says.
Just look at their teachings. After all, if they have ever changed then they were not correct to begin with and .......... well what then? If they never changed they must be infallible and ... well that would make those who defined them infallible as well in doctrine, even if not perfect.
My concern is that even the Catholic Church cannot give a defined list of when it has been exercised.
Yes, it can. And has. Check out the links I posted above. It's happened twice.
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