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Old 11-27-2017, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Show us all where the Bible specifically indicates that God gave mankind free will!! And if it is NOT specified in the Bible that God gave humankind free will, then you are simply making it up and declaring it to be so.
How do you think Adam and Eve were able to make the choice they did, when they knew what God had said?
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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How do you think Adam and Eve were able to make the choice they did, when they knew what God had said?
jimmie, grown-up people know that's a story.
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:41 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with an ancient book. It has everything to do with our creator.
God is NOT that book, jimmie. Stop treating the book like it is God. ONLY God is infallible and inerrant, period. Get a clue, my brother.
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Have you ever considered simply living your life according to the golden rule? Trying to find moral meaning in an ancient book of superstitious beliefs written by ancient ignorant people is bound to be contradictory and confusing.
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It has nothing to do with an ancient book. It has everything to do with our creator.
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God is NOT that book, jimmie. Stop treating the book like it is God. ONLY God is infallible and inerrant, period. Get a clue, my brother.
Uh, that’s what I was saying. Our moral center comes from our creator.
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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How do you think Adam and Eve were able to make the choice they did, when they knew what God had said?
they were decieved. like a snake said ...

"here, everything you need to know god in full is in this here book, err, I mean, apple, err, yeah."
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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they were decieved. like a snake said ...

"here, everything you need to know god in full is in this here book, err, I mean, apple, err, yeah."
Then you have to conclude our creator was either playing games or he doesn’t exist, both of which are illogical.
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Old 11-27-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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God gave mankind free will. I’m familiar with Gen. 6. It’s not about Adam and Eve.

Noah and his family made a different choice.
Did god have free will in doing so jimmiej?
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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How do you think Adam and Eve were able to make the choice they did, when they knew what God had said?
If you believe that God is omnipotent and omniscient then God knew what choice Adam and Eve would make when He created them. The same with the serpent. When He brought both side into Eden He was simply following His preconceived plan by allowing the inevitable to occur. There was no possibility that anyone involved would choose to do anything other than what God created them to do. If He had wanted things to turn out differently, He would have created individuals that behaved differently. Since this is the way they DID behave, this is the way He intended things to turn out. If you believe that God is omnipotent and omniscient, that is.

It is not my intention here to malign God. No such Being exists. My intention is to illustrate just how silly these ancient fables really are. Because an omnipotent omniscient God can never "repenth" for things turning out exactly as He always knew and intended them to turn out. The Bible is self contradictory. Things that are self contradicting are the very definition of things which are nonsense because they invalidate themselves.

The only thing sillier than the fables themselves, is believing that they actually occurred.
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:28 AM
 
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How do you think Adam and Eve were able to make the choice they did, when they knew what God had said?
Did A&E KNOW it was a good or evil action BEFORE eating the fruit jimmiej?

Or were they preprogrammed with that knowledge?
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:15 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Neither do you. So Stop adding to it. You know what your bible says about that.
But I am not the one who Jesus did not say that. You said it and you dodn't know if what you said is true.
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