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Old 12-01-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Well I DON'T believe that sort of thing. I tend to follow wherever the evidence leads. Currently the best evidence indicates that the universe is simply the current state of energy recycling itself over and over. Now, some may not find that idea very uplifting. But I have never been concerned with finding a way to elevate myself. I have always been interested in trying to find out what is true. The problem with truth is that it is under no obligation to make anyone feel special or uplifted. Truth simply is whatever it is. So how do we recognize it when we see it? The best we can do is to study and observe what we can actually see occurring. Make it up and declare it to be true is simply a form of make believe which leads nowhere.
What evidence do you have that the earth is recycling itself?

However the main problem for evolutionists is how did matter, energy and life from lifeless elements originate.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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You know that Jesus warned of false teachers yet you think that none of their false teachings found their way into the writings???? The ONLY way to be sure is to make sure that everything attributed to Jesus is COMPATIBLE with the detailed descriptions of God's true nature that Jesus provided. You refuse to do that and that is why you are misled.

What false teaching are in the Bible?

What attributed to Jesus is not compatible with God's true nature?

Unless you can do that, you are the one being misled.
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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If a careful and thorough comparison of the DNA of chimps and the DNA of humans which indicates that the differences between chimps and humans occur only in about 4% of their genetic makeup is not to be considered as "evidence," what exactly do you consider evidence?
For species to be related as a species, the DNA must be the same. All human DNA will identify the person as human. All chimp DNA will identify the subject as chimp.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Nonsense. You use “God is love†to negate God is holy. Both are true and that’s what the prophets, Jesus and the Apostles taught.
The point here is that YOU use "God is holy" to negate God's love because you don't believe that He IS love as John said and you think there is an end to His love despite what Jesus taught.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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To what end? Are you suggesting there was a beginning?
No, I am not, any more than you are suggesting there is a beginning to God.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The point here is that YOU use "God is holy" to negate God's love because you don't believe that He IS love as John said and you think there is an end to His love despite what Jesus taught.
That is incorrect. I believe John 3:16, all of it. God’s love AND holiness are both on display.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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No, I am not, any more than you are suggesting there is a beginning to God.
Did God create the universe, in your opinion? Not really sure what your point is.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: USA
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For species to be related as a species, the DNA must be the same. All human DNA will identify the person as human. All chimp DNA will identify the subject as chimp.
If the DNA is the same, then we are not talking about related, we are talking about the same species. There are markers in human DNA that can indicate racial differences. But all humans are the same species. Homo sapiens sapiens, members of the family Hominidae, the great apes.

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Hominidae
The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, which includes modern humans and its extinct relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal), and ancestors, such as Homo erectus.
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Muscle for muscle, bone for bone, organ for organ, humans and chimps are the same. The differences that are apparent to us are found in the 4% of our genetic makeup which is unique to each species.

Horses on the other hand are members of the family Equidae, species Equus ferus caballus. The family Equidae also includes zebras, species Equus quagga (common zebra). Muscle for muscle, bone for bone, organ for organ, horses and zebras are the same. The differences exist in a small variation in genetic makeup which is unique to each species. Horses and zebras have a common ancestor.

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Old 12-01-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: USA
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What evidence do you have that the earth is recycling itself?

However the main problem for evolutionists is how did matter, energy and life from lifeless elements originate.
Do you eat? If so, then you are in the process of recycling. Those chickens and cows you ate were in the process of recycling as well, before you recycled THEM. Chickens and cows didn't simply "pop" into existence so that you could eat them. The basic atoms that the chickens and cows are made of are interchangeable with the atoms of rocks and trees, planets and stars. It's the same stuff, only changed in form. Over and over, apparently without end.

Plants recycle light from the sun. Animals recycle the plants. Still other animals recycle animals. Enjoy your meal.
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Old 12-01-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Did God create the universe, in your opinion? Not really sure what your point is.
My point is that you don't understand the nature of the argument for a purely physical universe and should not display the fact. There is no "proof" of God's existence. I have my evidence, but recognize that it is not proof.
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