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Old 12-04-2017, 07:17 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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I would have said "Secular Humanism" is the militant form, but I agree with you.

As for murders, the Atheists have committed genocidal wars against each other and against Christianity so much and so many times that they either rewrite history to pretend the Christians started it (as with the Crusades) or they pretend that many of the perpetrators were Christians when really, they were Atheists or Secular Humanists (as with Hitler and Marx).

Atheists, Secular Humanists, and Islamists are responsible for virtually all of the violence on Earth right now and such is their hatred that when they can't shut us down (by the likes of Antifa, Dylann Roof, or Devin Kelly) they just lie about us and try to besmirch us through slander.
I'm a secular humanist. Am I militant?
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'm a secular humanist. Am I militant?
Uh-huh.

You are militantly, ferociously honest.

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Old 12-05-2017, 12:00 AM
 
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No, actually, discerning of spirits is a spiritual gift given by the baptism in the Spirit. It equates to the nose on your face physically, because what do you test with when determining if food is spoiled or not? You smell it. Peace
You do NOT test the spirits with your own standards based on what you THINK is "written in ink". You test using the standards of the Holy Spirit of agape (Who IS God ) as described in detail by Jesus based on the Truth God has "written in our hearts" that the Comforter has guided you to. Pretending that you somehow have special spiritual discernment through some magic ritual is nonsense.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:04 AM
 
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You do NOT test the spirits with your own standards based on what you THINK is "written in ink". You test using the standards of the Holy Spirit of agape (Who IS God ) as described in detail by Jesus based on the Truth God has "written in our hearts" that the Comforter has guided you to. Pretending that you somehow have special spiritual discernment through some magic ritual is nonsense.

Pretending everything Paul wrote about the gifts of the Spirit, which come from the baptism in the Spirit, does not exist, is what is nonsense. Peace
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Someone mentioned founding fathers being 'deists'.

Not true.

Religious affiliation of the founding fathers

Episcopalian/Anglican 56.4%
Presbyterian 29.1%
Congregationalist 14.5%
Quaker 5.5%
Catholic 3.6%
Methodist 3.6%
Lutheran 3.6%
Dutch Reformed 3.6%

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

Jefferson's (and few others) views were more in line with deitism, but as you can see the founders were overwhelmingly Christian.

Added to that, every State Constitution mentions God.
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The Faiths of the Founding Fathers is a book by historian of American religion David L. Holmes of the College of William & Mary. Holmes approaches the topic of the religion of the founders of the United States by analyzing their public statements and correspondence, the comments left by their contemporaries, and the views, where available, of clergy who knew them.

The main thesis of the book, found on page 134, is that the U.S. Founding Fathers fell into three religious categories:

The smallest group, founders who had left their Judeo-Christian heritages and become advocates of the Enlightenment religion of nature and reason called "Deism". These figures included Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen.

The founders who remained practicing Christians. They retained a supernaturalist world view, a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, and an adherence to the teachings of their denomination. These founders included Patrick Henry, John Jay, and Samuel Adams. Holmes also finds that most of the wives and daughters of the founders fell into this category.

The largest group consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. They believed in little or none of the miracles and supernaturalism inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition. Holmes finds a spectrum of such Deistic Christians among the founders, ranging from John Adams and George Washington on the conservative right to Benjamin Franklin and James Monroe on the skeptical left.

The well-reviewed book is one of the first to question the assertions of secular historians that the founders were all Unitarians or Deists and of evangelical pastors that they were orthodox and sometimes born-again Christians who intended to found a Christian nation. Holmes tries to show that all three of the groups he names were present at every step of the founding of the nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fa...unding_Fathers

Of course many were Anglicans, Presbyterians, Congregationalist, et. al. They RETAINED Christian loyalties but were influenced by DEISM which today no one would consider "Christian."

Consider the wording of the Tripoli Peace Treaty commenced under George Washington and ultimately signed into affirmation by John Adams while being UNANIMOUSLY ratified by the Senate:

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"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,"

According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,

"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.

However the Arabic and English texts differ, the Barlow translation (Article 11 included) was the text presented by the President and ratified unanimously in 1797 by the U.S. Senate following strict Constitutional procedures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

It is quite interesting to note that the Arabic version of the treaty did NOT include the line about the government of the United States "not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." It was apparently placed there by our American forefathers and the earliest copy has the line. It appears they INTENTIONALLY wanted the world to know that we are a SECULAR nation.

Amen, and Amen.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fa...unding_Fathers

Of course many were Anglicans, Presbyterians, Congregationalist, et. al. They RETAINED Christian loyalties but were influenced by DEISM which today no one would consider "Christian."
Wikipedia Did you write it?
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:06 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Wikipedia Did you write it?
He may as well have.

Wikipedia is like floodwaters. There is a lot of water there,
but I wouldn't drink it without proper filtration and treatment.
Some of it is poison.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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He may as well have.

Wikipedia is like floodwaters. There is a lot of water there,
but I wouldn't drink it without proper filtration and treatment.
Some of it is poison.
RESPONSE: But the majority of it is correct and well documented. ( When in doubt, simply check the citations it lists.) In the old days it would probably have been put on the Index of Forbidden Books.

I've observed that evidently Fundamentalists don't like it particularly because it sometimes deals with that movement's history.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Because they're cowards and their faith is built on the most brittle of foundations: old pieces of parchment.
Parchments with words inspired by God. Some of these pages are at least 6000 years old, making your comment of them being brittle based on your ignorance of the Bible.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:18 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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The false bravado of logic-less fundies is even more amusing.
To try and refute something with a liberal eating popcorn could be the poster child for logic-less humanists fundies.
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