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Old 11-28-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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Bravo!

Yes he hit himself in the face.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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If AI will live up to the hype, we can ask an intelligent machine what it thinks about creator, soul, fee will etc.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:42 PM
 
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If AI will live up to the hype, we can ask an intelligent machine what it thinks about creator, soul, fee will etc.
What makes you think it will have any idea? Then who programs it and with what bias?
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:57 PM
 
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NO it's not God. God created a perfect world a perfect garden and two perfect people. HE said it was good, animals were peaceful, His two people walked and talked with Him in the garden. God didn't even allow rain in the garden, it was watered with a mist morning and night. So what happened to turn the world upside down? The fall started with a most beautiful perfect angel deciding he wanted to not just be like God, but in pride wanted to be God. That won't happen, God is sovereign and nobody will take His role from Him. So Lucifer was cast out of heaven and came to earth along with one third of the angels. Lucifer was a powerful and charming creature and we all know what happened in the perfect garden. Adam and Eve had the simplest of the dispensations, don't eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (THE LAW). The law did its job and killed them SPIRITUALLY not physically until much later. In the interim God had given the title deed to earth to His perfect people. They were to manage the earth with Jesus at the helm and name all the animals of the planet. What had been joyous and lovely went South immediately as soon as SIN (disobedience) entered the picture. The title deed to earth was lost to Lucifer and the perfect world was now cursed and beginning its descent into the madness we see today. Satan has been in charge ever since. So why does God allow satan to remain, since in the end Jesus just boots him into the lake of fire? Because satan offers a clear choice of disobedience and hatred towards God. You can't claim man has a free choice without a valid option, and satan is it. ALL the murder, sickness, and war on the planet all trace back to the one who came to steal, kill, and destroy. The unbelieving on the planet mistakenly blame God for the misfortunes of the world, while satan continues invisibly on his mission. He remains in stealth mode at all times, since being revealed doesn't further his aims.

God CAN"T be the cause of turmoil since He is pure love and holy in all His actions, but He has allowed satan here to be a clear choice for those who want nothing to do with God. After man experiences all that is NOT perfect and cursed He will be ushering in a new perfect world. The introduction to eternity will be the 1,000 year Millenium, and then those who believe will go off into an exciting PERFECT eternity.

Grace and peace
Wrong. And wrong.

If God is perfect, and created a perfect world, why is there harm in this world?

Because of us. Not Satan. Us.

"It was the snake" says Eve. What if I told you, the snake never actually told her anything? She decided to do it, then figured out the concept of scapegoat. All of us are with sin. Not because of a snake, not because of a devil, but because we are sinful.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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People who read with comprehension understand God did not make him he made himself an opponent of God.
People with your particular brand of comprehension.

Which is less than 1% of the population as your sub-sect likes to brag about itself.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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No, the angel whose name we do not know made himself Satan. Satan is not a name but a description of a rebel. It means:


(2252a) !j'f' (´satan) adversary,


He chose to oppose God.
The adversary (satan)
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Also called the accuser of the brethren.

Or lord of flies also.

No sweet aroma coming from the likes of that creature.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:14 PM
 
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Humans.

When I was a kid playing telephone in grade school, the word changed from the beginning to the end.

IF Adam & Eve were the first, evolution over millenniums has created the monster of today. It's the cause/effect of being at the top of the food chain. Entitlement, false power. We are not as great as we think we are, and humans don't know how to live humbly and grow.

Speaking in generalities of course.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:27 PM
 
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Wrong. And wrong.

If God is perfect, and created a perfect world, why is there harm in this world?

Because of us. Not Satan. Us.

"It was the snake" says Eve. What if I told you, the snake never actually told her anything? She decided to do it, then figured out the concept of scapegoat. All of us are with sin. Not because of a snake, not because of a devil, but because we are sinful.
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages...tory-of-christ
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:39 AM
 
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No, the angel whose name we do not know made himself Satan. Satan is not a name but a description of a rebel. It means:

(2252a) !j'f' (´satan) adversary,


He chose to oppose God.
I believe Satan is just doing what he was created for, his actions led to us being able to have free will in the first place, if there was no 'alternative' to God, there can be no choice, it would be like going to the store to buy ice cream, if the store ONLY has vanilla, the customer really doesnt have a choice what type of ice cream to buy, in order for there to be a choice, there MUST be at least 2 selections to choose from.

Furthermore, if Satan was truly kicked out of heaven for his actions, why would God banish him DOWN WITH US? this makes no sense, its like punishing the fox by locking him inside the hen house!

God could have just turned satan and the other fallen angels to dust once the war in heaven was over, or banished them to some distant place where they had no contact with humans, angels or God.

God is God, he could have done anything, it was well within his power to create a place of punishment for them, hell does not apply, since they were NOT sent to hell, they were sent to earth, among us. This alone is a big red flag to me.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:45 AM
 
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I believe Satan is just doing what he was created for, his actions led to us being able to have free will in the first place, if there was no 'alternative' to God, there can be no choice, it would be like going to the store to buy ice cream, if the store ONLY has vanilla, the customer really doesnt have a choice what type of ice cream to buy, in order for there to be a choice, there MUST be at least 2 selections to choose from.

Furthermore, if Satan was truly kicked out of heaven for his actions, why would God banish him DOWN WITH US? this makes no sense, its like punishing the fox by locking him inside the hen house!

God could have just turned satan and the other fallen angels to dust once the war in heaven was over, or banished them to some distant place where they had no contact with humans, angels or God.

God is God, he could have done anything, it was well within his power to create a place of punishment for them, hell does not apply, since they were NOT sent to hell, they were sent to earth, among us. This alone is a big red flag to me.
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