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As others have pointed out Jim that story is a parable. It is NOT talking about eternal torment in the after life. The word hell in that scripture is not Gehenna or the lake of fire. As a matter of fact Revelation tells us the hell in that scripture is thrown into the lake of fire. That alone should tell you there is something wrong with the way you are interpreting that parable.
At one time there was a great chasm that no one could cross but Jesus came and broke down that middle wall of partition that ALL could be grafted into the commonwealth of Israel.
NOTHING can separate us from the love of God Jim, not even the chasm.
Jesus said otherwise.
Luke 16:26
“Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and none may cross over from there to us.”
“Between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and none may cross over from there to us.”
Jim it is a parable, you don't really believe Abrahams bosom is heaven do you?
The parable is about the casting away of Israel and the grafting in of the gentile.
The rich man is a Jew and Lazarus is a gentile.
Romans 11 and Ephesians 2 explain that parable. The middle wall of partition/the law of commandments contained in ordinance is the great gulf.
Wherefore remember, that ye*being*in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition*between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,*even*the law of commandments*contained*in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man,*so*making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner*stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Read all of Romans 11 but here is a key to understanding it.
For if the casting away of them*be*the reconciling of the world, what*shall*the receiving*of them be, but life from the dead?
Now you say the gulf in death cannot be breached even by Jesus.
Yet we read that Jesus did indeed breach this gulf and preached to the disobedient in the time of Noah and led captivity captive.
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Jim NOTHING, not even DEATH can separate us from the love of God.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So untold millions who Jesus came to save and died for are going to spend eternity in a lake of tormenting fire.
Yet scripture says he will see the travel of his soul and be satisfied.
Tell me whose loss is it when a sheep is remains lost?
It is the shepards loss.
So what you are telling everyone is that Jesus Christ will fail in what he set out to do and then suffer that loss for all eternity.
Did you not see the FREE GIFT of salvation and eternity in heaven? NOT ONE person has to suffer in torment.......so the question becomes what will YOU do with Jesus?
Did you not see the FREE GIFT of salvation and eternity in heaven? NOT ONE person has to suffer in torment.......so the question becomes what will YOU do with Jesus?
Yes I do see the free gift and that free gift is given to ALL, not just some.
Glad tidings of great joy! Your theology is an evil nightmare of primitive imagination that makes no sense whatsoever. Eternal torment serves no purpose and is entirely evil. Any God who never forgives for ANY reason is no God to me. I am astounded anyone could ever believe in such a God.
It's not evil......it's justice.......
Everyone has been warned......nobody has to go to the lake of fire........literally BILLIONS who believe God will experience the magic of heaven.......there's a choice to be made......what say YOU?
God calls out He wants all to be saved.....not all will answer
Everyone has been warned......nobody has to go to the lake of fire........literally BILLIONS who believe God will experience the magic of heaven.......there's a choice to be made......what say YOU?
God calls out He wants all to be saved.....not all will answer
You call eternal torment justice for the crimes of 70+ years. Hitlers justice maybe.
ALL will experience the magic as you call it of heaven.
No God says He is the saviour of ALL MEN and we are to teach exactly that. You do not teach that which we are commanded to teach but teach ANOTHER Gospel.
Picture a huge school yard, somebody gets on the PA and says everybody who WANTS to can play baseball over on the field.......not everybody will come.....
We see people right here who think God is evil and they don't WANT to be with HIM, they are granted their wish.....total separation......
Picture a huge school yard, somebody gets on the PA and says everybody who WANTS to can play baseball over on the field.......not everybody will come.....
We see people right here who think God is evil and they don't WANT to be with HIM, they are granted their wish.....total separation......
God upholds his word above His name and if God says He is the saviour of ALL MEN/the world then He is the saviour of ALL men/the world.
And there is no such thing as total separation from God. Or did you find a place that God is not?
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Everyone has been warned......nobody has to go to the lake of fire........literally BILLIONS who believe God will experience the magic of heaven.......there's a choice to be made......what say YOU?
God calls out He wants all to be saved.....not all will answer
Picture this.
There was a good man who never cheated on this wife, raised his children to respect others, helped out the poor, everyone who knew him spoke well of him because of the good he did in the community. However this man died not having a belief in God or Jesus.
Now according to you this man because he did not believe in Jesus deserves eternal torment and you call that Justice. Good grief man where is your head at.
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Your theology is an evil nightmare of primitive imagination that makes no sense whatsoever. Eternal torment serves no purpose and is entirely evil. Any God who never forgives for ANY reason is no God to me. I am astounded anyone could ever believe in such a God.
