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Every year, there are the annual Christmas threads trying to justify it and argue agaisnt it. One of the biggest arguments is that Christmas is not in the bible at all, which it isnt, so we should not be keeping something supposedly unBiblical.
It is believed the bible was stop being written around 100AD and Christmas really didnt come into play for Christianity until around 300AD+. So if the bible was still being recorded/written to include all of the 1st century church fathers like Justin Maytr, Barnabas, etc and kept being recorded until after Constantine era, do you think our bibles would include Christmas in it or would the writers or counsels who decided what went in or out have stayed away from it because of its origins back then?
The only genuine "church fathers" are the apostles and prophets their writings that were given by divine inspiration and recorded in the Holy Scripture. They gave us the "faith ONCE delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). The faith they delivered is able to make us "perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). We don't need anything beyond the Bible. The teaching of the "church fathers" does not contain one jot or tittle of divine revelation.
All of the "church fathers" were infected with some false doctrine, and most of them were seriously infected. Even the so-called Apostolic Fathers of the second century were teaching the false gospel that baptism, celibacy, and martyrdom provided forgiveness of sin. And of the later "fathers"--Clement, Origen, Cyril, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, Theodore, and John Chrysostom: In their lives and teachings we find the seed plot of almost all that arose later. In germ form appear the dogmas of purgatory, transubstantiation, priestly mediation, baptismal regeneration, and the whole Roman Catholic sacramental system.
The term "church fathers" is a misnomer that was derived from the Catholic Church's false doctrine of hierarchical church polity. These men were not "fathers" of the church in any scriptural sense and did not have any divine authority. They were merely church leaders from various places who have left a record of their faith in writing. But the Roman Catholic Church exalted men to authority beyond the bounds designated by Scripture, making them "fathers" over the churches located within entire regions and over the churches of the whole world.
Christmas is in the bible at Matthew 2 , and in Luke 2 , where the shepherds and the Wise men came for the first Christmas .............. Still St Nick came ministering Christ in the 340 AD which people remembered the miracles of charity ......
The only genuine "church fathers" are the apostles and prophets their writings that were given by divine inspiration and recorded in the Holy Scripture. They gave us the "faith ONCE delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). The faith they delivered is able to make us "perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). We don't need anything beyond the Bible. The teaching of the "church fathers" does not contain one jot or tittle of divine revelation.
You see things quite clearly.
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Originally Posted by hljc
Christmas is in the bible at Matthew 2 , and in Luke 2 , where the shepherds and the Wise men came for the first Christmas .............. Still St Nick came ministering Christ in the 340 AD which people remembered the miracles of charity ......
All of what you say is true, but has little to do with the holiday
celebrated in 21st century America, which is an impure and
distorted version of what it should be.
I'm not interested in answering the poll, but will say, why are we so obsessed with and troubled by Christmas? There are many things not specifically addressed in the Bible (Thanksgiving, 4th of July, cars, electricity, the Internet, etc etc.)
Some these days seem unable to just let things go, and accept what's in the Bible and what is not. Some willingly live by stress and struggle, and can't live without conflict and self-created issues. So much for Jesus being about peace. It must not be good enough for many, and no longer relevant.
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