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Old 01-02-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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Who was there recording jesus and the devil?




Matthew 4:1-11King James Version (KJV)

4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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Either Jesus simply told the disciples about it or else it was made known to them by the Holy Spirit.
Laugh Out Loud
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Jesus represented/represents the sacrificial lamb of God.
So the confusion starts here.

Jesus is now a sacrificial lamb ... a few minutes, Jesus was God, and then Son of God.

Then an establish part of the faith is that" Jesus is the ONLY way", but what you are saying is that Jesus died for ALL people - including those who did not know him or never heard of him. How is Jesus is the only way for them? They are dead already.

And then if Jesus died for Jews then what's the point of Moses being sent towards the Jewish nation? Do you think Jews believe that Jesus died for their sins?
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Jesus represented/represents the sacrificial lamb of God. In the Old Testament days, people who went against God had to give up something of theirs (something of value) as penalty for their sins. It was usually animals sacrificed, as a repayment. When Jesus died on the cross, he became the sacrificial "lamb". He died once; no need for repeated bloodshed. He also died for all, that all could reach heaven (not just Jews).

To ignore or bypass the above invalidates who Jesus was, and what he came to earth for. He would just be another human, his death then meant nothing, and only Jews would be able to reach heaven. It would be shut off for everyone else. Everything rests on that, so it's clear that attacking that is the most effective way to discredit Christianity. Go for the roots! as we see.

It won't be clear unless you read scripture. It won't make any sense until you understand the original atonement of sin, and what God required. It's necessary to see the pattern of sacrifices in the Old Testament, and how Jesus became a sacrifice of a much more profound dimension. Read the texts yourself. Read them, pray, and meditate over what you've read.
But G-d abhors human sacrifice...
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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But G-d abhors human sacrifice...
yet someone was murdered, who was blameless.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Everything that Jesus said was recorded by the New Testament writers. As was already shown, the New Testament writers quoted Jesus' statement pertaining to His deity. As well, the New Testament writers, John, Paul, the writer of Hebrews, all stated that Jesus is God.
Not everything...
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:35 PM
 
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You're playing games. Jesus is stated to be God in John 1:1, Phil. 2:5-6, and Hebrews 1:8-13.

The writer of John was an eyewitness of Jesus as stated in John 21:20-24. Paul encountered the risen Jesus, more than once. The writer of Hebrews is unknown, but believed that Jesus was God.

Seriously, I have had it you and your disingenuous attitude and games. You know damn well that the New Testament states that Jesus is God. Grow up.
Jesus did not state John 1:1...And you know it, the writer wrote that...And no it does not state that he was G-d...You grow up...Now you’re stating that Jesus wrote the New Testament...
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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yet someone was murdered, who was blameless.
Murdered?

Thought it was suicide by divine design?
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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You're playing games. Jesus is stated to be God in John 1:1, Phil. 2:5-6, and Hebrews 1:8-13.

The writer of John was an eyewitness of Jesus as stated in John 21:20-24. Paul encountered the risen Jesus, more than once. The writer of Hebrews is unknown, but believed that Jesus was God.

Seriously, I have had it you and your disingenuous attitude and games. You know damn well that the New Testament states that Jesus is God. Grow up.
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Jesus did not state John 1:1...And you know it, the writer wrote that...And no it does not state that he was G-d...You grow up...Now you’re stating that Jesus wrote the New Testament...
I didn't say that He did. I said that He is stated to be God in John 1:1. Big difference.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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Murdered?

Thought it was suicide by divine design?
Who told you that?


https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-pe...8-compare.html


For the Messiah himself died for sins, once and for all, a righteous person on behalf of unrighteous people, so that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but brought to life by the Spirit; 19 and in this form he went and made a proclamation to the imprisoned spirits, 20 to those who were disobedient long ago, in the days of Noach, when God waited patiently during the building of the ark, in which a few people — to be specific, eight — were delivered by means of water. 21 This also prefigures what delivers us now, the water of immersion, which is not the removal of dirt from the body, but one’s pledge to keep a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Yeshua the Messiah. 22 He has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God,[c] with angels, authorities and powers subject to him.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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what? work hard, be honest, and you will reap what you so?

I think they were saying that since the first time we had time to sit around and get ourselves in trouble.
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