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FWIW, many/most "traditional" Christians the "Lamb of God" IS Jesus who as "true God AND true man" offers Himself to the Father as BOTH "eternal High Priest" and perfect Victim on the cross at Calvary for the sins of humanity.
other folks including other Christians may have different beliefs and thoughts on this matter but think the "default" belief is basically that.
if you want a non-partisan and detailed discussion of the Holy Spirit and the various and sometimes contrary "takes" by various Christian bodies on the topic look up that name in Wikipedia---think you'll find it interesting and maybe even helpful.
in the "...peace of Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit..." (2 Cor. 13:14).
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The soul does not survive the death of the body. Our thoughts, our consciousness, our beliefs, our self-awareness (all) depend on the functioning of our brain. When you die there is no thought; neither is there any working, planning, knowledge or wisdom. As a human being, we do not possess immortality for surely YOU will die.
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you may (or may not) be correct---think it's something that cannot be fully proven unless you have a unique insight into or experience of what really happens (or doesn't happen) in the "next life". that said, apparently Jesus thought there was something that transcends the death of the body or the parable of the "rich man" and "Lazarus" makes no particular sense, or Jesus' words to the "good thief" about "...being with Me in paradise", or for that matter a number of other things talked about in the New Testament like Jesus' statement "...he who believes in me, even though he dies WILL LIVE.." and including the Resurrection itself become at best incomprehensible and at worst flat-out nonsense---at least as "traditional" Christianity interprets and believes in such things---right, wrong, or indifferent.
FWIW, (traditional) Christianity's understanding about "death" and "life after death" is bound up with the belief that Christ has risen and conquered death and if He in fact has not then..."if Christ has NOT been risen, our preaching is WORTHLESS and SO IS YOUR FAITH...those who have fallen asleep in Christ have PERISHED. if our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be PITIED more than all men." (1 Cor. 15: 12-19).
that said, we will probably all have the opportunity to find out for sure about this.
in the peace of Christ.
The death of a person consists of more than their body, otherwise the person themselves are not being resurrected? And Christ himself would not have truly died. Nowhere, does it say that the person enters paradise at the very moment they cease to be, that would also seem to nullify a future resurrection or that of being risen from the dead, whether it be in three days or 3,000 years from the time they have fallen asleep (having no dreams). As for the "parable" of Lazarus and the Rich Man, there is much to learn from a non-literal perspective. You might also consider that hope reaches beyond this life, it's a feeling of expectation for that which is yet to happen or take place.
The soul does not survive the death of the body. Our thoughts, our consciousness, our beliefs, our self-awareness (all) depend on the functioning of our brain. When you die there is no thought; neither is there any working, planning, knowledge or wisdom. As a human being, we do not possess immortality for surely YOU will die.
According to the Bible the soul does indeed survive the death of the body. In Revelation chapters 7 and 20 we see the souls of martyrs in heaven awaiting resurrection. And they are alive and conscious. And Paul indicated that to be absent from the body was to be at home with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8).
Even in the Old Testament, the fact that attempts to contact the dead were forbidden indicates that those who have died physically are still alive apart from the physical body.
According to the Bible the soul does indeed survive the death of the body. In Revelation chapters 7 and 20 we see the souls of martyrs in heaven awaiting resurrection. And they are alive and conscious. And Paul indicated that to be absent from the body was to be at home with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8).
Even in the Old Testament, the fact that attempts to contact the dead were forbidden indicates that those who have died physically are still alive apart from the physical body.
A display of feigned or exaggerated suffering to obtain sympathy or admiration (martyrdom) is not my cup of tea. However, to lay one's life down for that of another predicated on love and compassion is totally - a different matter.
Physical death is understood as the separation of the soul from the body. The soul doesn't cease to exist when it departs the body. For the believer His soul simply goes to be with the Lord and awaits the future resurrection of the body. At Jesus' physical death His human soul and spirit left His body which went into the tomb. While Jesus' body went into the tomb His soul went to Paradise until the moment He was resurrected.
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The soul does not survive the death of the body. Our thoughts, our consciousness, our beliefs, our self-awareness (all) depend on the functioning of our brain. When you die there is no thought; neither is there any working, planning, knowledge or wisdom. As a human being, we do not possess immortality for surely YOU will die.
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According to the Bible the soul does indeed survive the death of the body. In Revelation chapters 7 and 20 we see the souls of martyrs in heaven awaiting resurrection. And they are alive and conscious. And Paul indicated that to be absent from the body was to be at home with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8).
Even in the Old Testament, the fact that attempts to contact the dead were forbidden indicates that those who have died physically are still alive apart from the physical body.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
A display of feigned or exaggerated suffering to obtain sympathy or admiration (martyrdom) is not my cup of tea. However, to lay one's life down for that of another predicated on love and compassion is totally - a different matter.
This in no way is a reply to my statement that the Bible teaches that the soul survives the death of the body.
FWIW, many/most "traditional" Christians the "Lamb of God" IS Jesus who as "true God AND true man" offers Himself to the Father as BOTH "eternal High Priest" and perfect Victim on the cross at Calvary for the sins of humanity.
other folks including other Christians may have different beliefs and thoughts on this matter but think the "default" belief is basically that.
if you want a non-partisan and detailed discussion of the Holy Spirit and the various and sometimes contrary "takes" by various Christian bodies on the topic look up that name in Wikipedia---think you'll find it interesting and maybe even helpful.
in the "...peace of Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit..." (2 Cor. 13:14).
How could he even offer himself a sacrifice if G-d abhors human sacrifice?...
According to the Bible the soul does indeed survive the death of the body. In Revelation chapters 7 and 20 we see the souls of martyrs in heaven awaiting resurrection. And they are alive and conscious. And Paul indicated that to be absent from the body was to be at home with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8).
Even in the Old Testament, the fact that attempts to contact the dead were forbidden indicates that those who have died physically are still alive apart from the physical body.
Yet the soul is not mentioned to be eternal or live forever in the Torah...Right there in Beresheet Adam does not become a living soul until G-d breathes the breath of life into his nostrils, thereby becoming a “living soul”....
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