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Old 02-06-2018, 01:40 PM
 
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I would agree with you. Most people believe we all have free will and make our own choice even though the scriptures teach that God has chosen us to salvation ..................
Seems to me, according to 2nd Peter 3:9, it is Not God, but us who God gives the choice to either repent or perish.
I see there is a choice given us by God found at Deuteronomy 30:19, so the choice is ours.
Jesus too at Matthew 24:13 says to endure to the end in order to be saved ( delivered / rescued )
So, just being chosen does Not guarantee or the fallen away people of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 would be saved.
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Old 02-06-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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The 'L' in TULIP is the most disagreeable point. If Romans 11:32 says, "For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." (NIV) In terms of salvation, how then is God's reach or power limited?
I would agree with you. Most people believe we all have free will and make our own choice even though the scriptures teach that God has chosen us to salvation and because God is sovereign he can also leave us with a veil over our understanding until the time he chooses to lift the veil. That's the way it is.
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Old 02-06-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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IMO, Calvin was not a good man. His TULIP doctrine is completely at odds with God's will and the scriptures. I wonder what ol' Calvin is up to right about now?

I have heard tell that he burned at least one person at the stake? Why would any godly person do such a thing?


https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/...l-servetus.htm
He didn’t burn him at the stake...He encouraged it to be done...
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Old 02-06-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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I would agree with you. Most people believe we all have free will and make our own choice even though the scriptures teach that God has chosen us to salvation and because God is sovereign he can also leave us with a veil over our understanding until the time he chooses to lift the veil. That's the way it is.
The power and reach of God in action dealing with the worst sinner:

Saul was blind and in those days blindness was a permanent incurable condition. Saul knew the Tanakh (Old Testament) very well (Acts 22:3; 5:34). No Old Testament prophet had ever cured blindness (John 9:32)!

Curing of the blind was a messianic prophecy (Isaiah 29:18, 35:5). When John the Baptist wondered if Jesus was the messiah Jesus said tell John that the blind see! (Matthew 11:5). That was all John needed to know!

When Ananias announced to Saul that he was being cured by Jesus he was confronted with the personal fulfillment of a long promised messianic prophecy! He could see again, but this time not just physically but spiritually as well!

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-hi...9ea1&srid=j1Pp

And everyone knows Saul/Paul called himself the worst of all sinners:

"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst." 1 Tim. 1:15 NIV
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Old 02-07-2018, 05:51 AM
 
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That is your very false opinion and it directly contradicts what Jesus said. If you don't believe Jesus, well then.
Not at all--The bible is clear--- Law will be written on the hearts of those who possess the love Jesus spoke of--thus a heart such as that wouldn't even consider to steal from their brothers, commit adultery on their mate or brothers, etc,etc,etc.--Few have this love Jesus brought and spoke of.
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Old 02-07-2018, 05:53 AM
 
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Jesus did not start a "religion." Humans start religions as a way to divide each other and to hold influence over other by claiming only they have the ONE truth.

The Pharisees saw it begin--Acts 24:5-- They referred to it as the sect of the Nazarene
Jesus spoke to 7 congregations in Revelation=proof he is with one religion.
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:17 AM
 
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Not at all--The bible is clear--- Law will be written on the hearts of those who possess the love Jesus spoke of--thus a heart such as that wouldn't even consider to steal from their brothers, commit adultery on their mate or brothers, etc,etc,etc.--Few have this love Jesus brought and spoke of.
Where does it say that the Law will be written on the hearts?...
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:45 AM
 
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Where does it say that the Law will be written on the hearts?...

I cant find the exact spot at the moment. But Jesus clearly taught--Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God-- this is done from the hearts desire to learn and apply and listen to Jesus. As well Jesus taught--- Matt 7:22-23-- a worker of iniquity( lawlessness) --- means the law still applies but under the new covenant--LOVE--it is written on the heart--How? by learning and applying every utterance from God.

I found it--- Jeremiah 31:33--Romans 2:15
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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Not at all--The bible is clear--- Law will be written on the hearts of those who possess the love Jesus spoke of--thus a heart such as that wouldn't even consider to steal from their brothers, commit adultery on their mate or brothers, etc,etc,etc.--Few have this love Jesus brought and spoke of.
The promise is to Ephraim and Judah, God promised to write HIS LAW on the hearts of Ephraim and Judah. The covenant is only for Ephraim and Judah, and where we see this covenant fulfilled in Ephraim and Judah, we also see Gentiles. But unless you have come repenting as Ephraim for disrespecting the law and the separation from Jerusalem with all it's feasts, you are neither Ephraim or Judah. Ephraim comes back repenting for calling the Torah a strange thing but most of all, for their involvement in the worship of other Gods as Ephraim practiced Easter and Christmas, and it was this very thing that wiped them out and scattered them into the nations, but when they stop their paganism and disrespect for the law, and they join themselves to Judah, they become Israel,'' Ephraim.''
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Old 02-07-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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The promise is to Ephraim and Judah, God promised to write HIS LAW on the hearts of Ephraim and Judah. The covenant is only for Ephraim and Judah, and where we see this covenant fulfilled in Ephraim and Judah, we also see Gentiles. But unless you have come repenting as Ephraim for disrespecting the law and the separation from Jerusalem with all it's feasts, you are neither Ephraim or Judah. Ephraim comes back repenting for calling the Torah a strange thing but most of all, for their involvement in the worship of other Gods as Ephraim practiced Easter and Christmas, and it was this very thing that wiped them out and scattered them into the nations, but when they stop their paganism and disrespect for the law, and they join themselves to Judah, they become Israel,'' Ephraim.''

Gods words are for all to learn and apply--or did you not hear---Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God.
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