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Old 01-26-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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So, if a Messianic is also Born of a Jewish mother, is he not still a Jew?
The Messianics I know are of Jewish linage.
And they will be held accountable by HaShem...Remember your Revelation?...Synagogue of Satan?...Those that say they are Jews but are not?...
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Old 01-26-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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Actually, God the Son made regular appearances in the Torah.
He is all over the place in the Torah.

if He isn't in "your" scriptures, it is because you butchered
them to try to remove Him.

Do You Butcher the Torah?
Or is Jesus Christ in the Torah?

It is One or The Other!
Avraham is considered the founder of Judaism. Avraham was born around 3,800 years ago. The Torah was given to the Jewish people around 3,330 years ago. The current year in the Jewish calendar is 5,778.

The current year in the secular calendar is 2,018.
The content of the Crstn New Testament was established around 1,660 years ago.
The religion Crstnty began around 1,900 years ago.

Since the Torah was given over 3,330 years ago, that means the Torah was around for 1,400 years before the religion Crstny even existed.

JC was never removed from the Torah because JC was never in the Torah. That is a fact.
Do the math.
Simple arithmetic.
let's review: The Torah was given to the Jews 3,330 years ago, so the Torah was around for ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE Crstnty even existed.

so the answer to your question it is not one or the other, it is neither.

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Old 01-26-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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JC was never removed from the Torah because JC was never in the Torah. That is a fact.
Do the math.
Simple arithmetic.
let's review: The Torah was given to the Jews 3,330 years ago, so the Torah was around for ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE Crstnty even existed.

so the answer to your question it is neither.
So, then, your god cannot look though time,
to know what he, himself will do in the future?

Wow, that god would be pretty limited.

Check out the God that created the Universe.
He knew from the beginning, that He would
"provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering"

And He knew that one day His Son would be the Salvation of the World.

His name is Creator, Almighty, The Self Existent, and the Savior.
And His Son is called "God with us."
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Old 01-26-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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So, then, your god cannot look though time,
to know what he, himself will do in the future?

Wow, that god would be pretty limited.

Check out the God that created the Universe.
He knew from the beginning, that He would
"provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering"

And He knew that one day His Son would be the Salvation of the World.

His name is Creator, Almighty, The Self Existent, and the Savior.
And His Son is called "God with us."
and that is the religion of Crstnty, which is practiced by Crstns using the OT and NT.

just don't call it Jewish because it is not.
just don't call it Judaism because it is not.
and just don't call it Torah or Tanakh, because it is not.
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Old 01-26-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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and that is the religion of Crstnty, as it is practiced by Crstns using the OT and NT.

just don't call it Jewish because it is not.
and just don't call it Torah or Tanakh, because it is not.
Nowhere in my post did I use the word Jewish,
although Abraham was "Jewish"
and nowhere in my post did I use the word Torah,
although one of my quotes was from the Torah.
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Old 01-26-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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Nowhere in my post did I use the word Jewish,
although Abraham was "Jewish"
and nowhere in my post did I use the word Torah,
although one of my quotes was from the Torah.
sure you did, in post 137. You used the word Torah 4 times in that post:

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Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
Actually, God the Son made regular appearances in the Torah.
He is all over the place in the Torah.

if He isn't in "your" scriptures, it is because you butchered
them to try to remove Him.

Do You Butcher the Torah?
Or is Jesus Christ in the Torah?

It is One or The Other!
and here too, you used the word Torah, in post 114:

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Then second, I would like to point out that Jesus Christ
is found in many places in the Torah, and you just fail
to see Him there.
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Old 01-26-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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In addition, my God keeps His promises.
He promised Abraham:
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And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”

9 And God said to Abraham, “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you.
Are you living in the land of Canaan? (I assume you are Jewish)
Did God break His promise to Abraham?

Show me, from your Torah, why you are not living in Canaan, and why you do not make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the feast and the sacrifices in the Temple. Show me why.

I don't think you can.

But I can.
In multiple places.
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Old 01-26-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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sure you did, in post 137. You used the word Torah 4 times in that post:
So, now, when you get cornered, you change the subject.
That is quite less than honest, and frankly, is false witness.

The post that was quoted when you made the accusation was post #143.
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Old 01-26-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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Well, while you consult with your rabbi, it is past my bed time

And if you are West of the Rockies it might be the Sabbath for you.
(Depending on if you observe on our Friday, or our Saturday,
of course, if you observe by the clock in Jerusalem, I would have
to look up the time and date there )
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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...The post that was quoted ... was post #143.
And my response in post #144 applies to every post.
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that is the religion of Crstnty, which is practiced by Crstns using the OT and NT

just don't call it Jewish because it is not.
just don't call it Judaism because it is not.
and just don't call it Torah or Tanakh, because it is not.
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