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So the gospel that you, as a Gentile, believe, was not the same gospel preached by Jesus Christ?
Yes that is the case.....the Gospel of the Kingdom was in effect during the earthly ministry.....
Matthew 24:14 (ESV)
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mark 1:1 (ESV)
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Those who knew Jesus was the Son of God were saved........
The Gospel of Grace is in effect today........it will end at the rapture.
The Gospel of the Kingdom returns during the tribulation
Mat 10:23 'And whenever they may persecute you in this city, flee to the other, for verily I say to you, ye may not have completed the cities of Israel till the Son of Man may come.
These were Jewish towns rejecting.......the just posted verse 5 SPECIFICALLY told them not to go to Gentiles, and Jesus only dealt with two gentiles during His ministry and referred to them as dogs. The 12 knew better than to go to pagan cities.
No, the 12 were Not sent out to the whole world.
Both Matthew 24:14 and Acts 1:8 are set future to be in our day, our time frame.
Matthew 24 is ALL Tribulation.....Acts 1:8 would be in the millenium after the remaining REMNANT (1/3) saved during the Trib will have accepted Jesus as Messiah....
George the gospel in effect during the earthly ministry "who do you say that Iam" the answer being the Son of God, is not now in effect. That was the Gospel of the Kingdom. Paul's gospel of grace is the dispensation for today, so they would be at odds, and the 12 only had a dim understanding of grace. We can see that with Peter....this is at the end of his life
2ndPeter 3:14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17
Grace was "the hard to understand" part.
Grace and peace to all Oregonians........
forgive my supreme and persistent ignorance but am not sure how much your kind response has to do with your apparent question initially about the apostles' mission (or not) to "teach all men". FWIW and IMHO, think "traditional" Christianity (whatever that really means) is all about spreading the message that in Christ the Son of God and Messiah salvation from sin and death has come not because we "earned" or "deserved" it by observing a set of laws or because of being born into a certain country or covenant but as a free gift of God's loving and merciful "grace" offered to everybody who reaches out to God in faith---not just the Jews of Israel but EVERYBODY everywhere. that FREE grace makes everybody a "chosen people" and "co-heirs' to God's eternal Kingdom as "adopted" sons and daughters IF we use that grace that has made us (either Jew or non-Jew) "new creations" to now "bear good fruit" in faith, hope, and love to others as we (in our various ways) like the original Apostles continue to live and share the "good news" way back when and here right now.
grace and peace through our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit to you and me and everybody else everywhere.
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forgive my supreme and persistent ignorance but am not sure how much your kind response has to do with your apparent question initially about the apostles' mission (or not) to "teach all men". FWIW and IMHO, think "traditional" Christianity (whatever that really means) is all about spreading the message that in Christ the Son of God and Messiah salvation from sin and death has come not because we "earned" or "deserved" it by observing a set of laws or because of being born into a certain country or covenant but as a free gift of God's loving and merciful "grace" offered to everybody who reaches out to God in faith---not just the Jews of Israel but EVERYBODY everywhere. that FREE grace makes everybody a "chosen people" and "co-heirs' to God's eternal Kingdom as "adopted" sons and daughters IF we use that grace that has made us (either Jew or non-Jew) "new creations" to now "bear good fruit" in faith, hope, and love to others as we (in our various ways) like the original Apostles continue to live and share the "good news" way back when and here right now.
grace and peace through our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit to you and me and everybody else everywhere.
the Redeemer and Savior of Israel AND the whole world---"OTHER sheep I have NOT of this fold, they also I will bring in so that there will be ONE flock and ONE Shepherd" or for that matter "He came onto His own but His own RECEIVED HIM NOT but those who DID received the power to become Sons of God..." or for that matter the parable of the wicked tenants who murdered the Owners only Son in Matt. 21: 33-46 whose meaning is "the Kingdom of God will be taken AWAY from you and given to a nation that WILL produce good fruit" one might also add that Jesus in His earthly ministry healed not only the Jews but non Jews like Samaritans and Romans as well and in fact said of the Roman Centurion whose servant He healed "not even in Israel have I seen such faith!!!"
combine these things recorded in Scripture with the "..make disciples of ALL men" command and one can make a STRONG case that is was Jesus' desire and intent that the message of Salvation was and is to go beyond just Israel and the Jews but to EVERYONE so that all may "worship in spirit and in truth." so it makes sense that the disciples and their disciples, etc. had a Divine mandate to spread the Gospel all over.
one may interpret and understand Scripture as one wills (and may God bless and help all who do!!!) and find passages to support most any doctrine or belief but it would be hard to deny that the quotations mentioned (plus many more from the Epistles) can just as easily SUPPORT the "universality" of Jesus' desire to save ALL those who turn to Him in faith and repentance whether Jew or Gentile as ANY other interpretation or understanding to the contrary.
in the peace of Christ and may He help everyone to seek, find, and live the truth that sets us free.
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the Redeemer and Savior of Israel AND the whole world---"OTHER sheep I have NOT of this fold, they also I will bring in so that there will be ONE flock and ONE Shepherd" or for that matter "He came onto His own but His own RECEIVED HIM NOT but those who DID received the power to become Sons of God..." or for that matter the parable of the wicked tenants who murdered the Owners only Son in Matt. 21: 33-46 whose meaning is "the Kingdom of God will be taken AWAY from you and given to a nation that WILL produce good fruit" one might also add that Jesus in His earthly ministry healed not only the Jews but non Jews like Samaritans and Romans as well and in fact said of the Roman Centurion whose servant He healed "not even in Israel have I seen such faith!!!"
combine these things recorded in Scripture with the "..make disciples of ALL men" command and one can make a STRONG case that is was Jesus' desire and intent that the message of Salvation was and is to go beyond just Israel and the Jews but to EVERYONE so that all may "worship in spirit and in truth." so it makes sense that the disciples and their disciples, etc. had a Divine mandate to spread the Gospel all over.
one may interpret and understand Scripture as one wills (and may God bless and help all who do!!!) and find passages to support most any doctrine or belief but it would be hard to deny that the quotations mentioned (plus many more from the Epistles) can just as easily SUPPORT the "universality" of Jesus' desire to save ALL those who turn to Him in faith and repentance whether Jew or Gentile as ANY other interpretation or understanding to the contrary.
in the peace of Christ and may He help everyone to seek, find, and live the truth that sets us free.
See?...Yoi don’t even know what Messiah means...
to be clear, the Messiah is literally the "anointed one" in Hebrew ("Christos" in Greek) Who the Jews believed would restore and redeem Israel and most Christians believe would redeem the world is in fact a title and NOT a personal name the important thing is not what the title "means" but for Christians Who the Messiah IS and what He DOES---which according to most Christians is that the "Anointed one of God" came in the Person of "Jesus"/Yeshua/Joshua, etc. (which in turn means "YAHWEH is salvation") called THE CHRIST to save us from our sins (see Matt. 1:21) so indeed "Messiah" for all practical intents and purposes IS "Savior" and "Redeemer".
BTW, if anybody is really interested in something aside for individual opinion, Wikipedia has a good article on "Messiah" and the various meaning of the word to Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
in the peace of Christ the Christ, the saving Messiah of God.
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