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It looks like a flaw to me. What part of salvation relies on us? Even belief is a condition. Some people have seemed to have taken that even further into the right belief. My sect says "you have to put yourself in line with salvation". It seems to me that if a person truly has trust in Christ then salvation is already a done deal no matter what a person believes.
Trust in Christ is exactly what I’m talking about! Why are you trying to make it about something else?
Trust in Christ is exactly what I’m talking about! Why are you trying to make it about something else?
Miscommunication:
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
You are wrong about what I believe and what my church teaches. We teach that Jesus died for our sins, to reunite us to God. When we understand that, repent and believe in His redemptive work, we are saved for eternity. Then, we should regularly worship, study scripture, pray, strive to live uprightly and use our talents to serve God.
What’s the difference? What does trust in Christ mean to you?
Like I said, I'm no authority on words but this is my POV on it.
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Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8
I'm no wordsmith but to me trust is a feeling that comes from the heart and belief comes from the mind. You said you loved Jesus (and maybe trusted Him) when you were a kid but then someone started messing with your mind and telling you contradicting beliefs. Trust isn't an intellectual exercise but I supposed belief can be. Love isn't an intellectual pursuit either.
What does trust in Christ mean to me? It means He took care of our salvation so let's move up to the next level and stop spending time on worrying about how all that is going to turn out.
Like I said, I'm no authority on words but this is my POV on it.
What does trust in Christ mean to me? It means He took care of our salvation so let's move up to the next level and stop spending time on worrying about how all that is going to turn out.
I don’t see how that conflicts with my answer, unless you’re promoting Universal Salvation.
They are not focused on it. The Pro-Abortion and and Pro-Gay people make most of the noise. Even here on CD, by far most of the discussions about those topics are started by those who oppose the Christian view on them.
Actually the terms are pro-freedom, pro-choice and pro-equality, not pro-abortion and pro-gay.
I don’t see how that conflicts with my answer, unless you’re promoting Universal Salvation.
Your right that I don't think trust or belief has anything to do with salvation so I guess that means universalism. I trust Christ will not lose any of His. You are making it a condition of salvation. I think the people who actually trust in Christ will be free from fear and can move onto other things while those who merely believe will be stuck still trying to work out their salvation or that of others.
It looks like a flaw to me. What part of salvation relies on us? Even belief is a condition. Some people have seemed to have taken that even further into the right belief. My sect says "you have to put yourself in line with salvation". It seems to me that if a person truly has trust in Christ then salvation is already a done deal no matter what a person believes.
Amen!!
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Originally Posted by OzzyRules
That's a great observation. Putting trust in Christ is separate from belief.
Putting trust in Christ is ALL that Faith in Christ is about NOT believing any specific set of "precepts and doctrines of men." Just have Faith that Jesus did what He said He did and we are reconciled with God who loves us, is NOT counting our sins against us, and just wants us to love one another every day and repent when we don't.
You’re right that I don't think trust or belief has anything to do with salvation so I guess that means universalism. I trust Christ will not lose any of His. You are making it a condition of salvation. I think the people who actually trust in Christ will be free from fear and can move onto other things while those who merely believe will be stuck still trying to work out their salvation or that of others.
Here’s why I think you’re wrong about belief not being a condition.
Heb. 11:6
Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
I do NOT beleve in UR. Way too many scriptures say otherwise.
Yes, those who trust in Christ need not fear-their future is secure in Him. All others remain under condemnation (original sin). See John 3.
*I still don’t understand your dfference between trusting and belief. In addition, what sbout people who have neither?
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