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No. It's logical. Do you believe Jesus could have eliminated poverty if he so chose to? If so..why didn't he?
Maybe because Jesus at this point in the story was a character representing what the church had started to become. The NT attests to the fact that there were already many antichrists while it was being written. Meaning, people using the name of Jesus who had drifted far from his message. Revelation speaks about the degrading of the original churches.
Also, don't forget that the "Jesus" which appeared to his followers after he died was someone they didn't even recognize at first. It almost seemed like the new Jesus had to sell himself to them in a new way.
Why is that? And why did they all eat "fish"?
And don't forget that the "Beast" of Revelation 13 was something that died and appeared to rise again. What else fits that description than the Jesus of traditional Christianity? Has traditional Christianity not actually been like a vicious beast upon the earth?
Maybe because Jesus at this point in the story was a character representing what the church had started to become. The NT attests to the fact that there were already many antichrists while it was being written. Meaning, people using the name of Jesus who had drifted far from his message. Revelation speaks about the degrading of the original churches.
Also, don't forget that the "Jesus" which appeared to his followers after he died was someone they didn't even recognize at first. It almost seemed like the new Jesus had to sell himself in a new way.
Why is that?
And don't forget that the "Beast" of Revelation 13 was something that died and appeared to rise again. What else fits that description than the Jesus of traditional Christianity? Has traditional Christianity not actually been like a vicious beast upon the earth?
As long as you see him as simply a "character" in a book that represents something, you will read whatever you wish into it. And yes, we're going to disagree. I view him as an historical figure.
But he didn't, actually. The last thing he said was to go and preach the Gospel -- not eliminate poverty.
Mind you, I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't care about the poor and needy -- I've repeatedly said we should, but that's not the main focus.
You still think you were one of the 11 He said that too? He gave different commands to you and I than He did those 11. Talk about taking a place at the head of the table. When you get busted down to the kid's table at this wedding that won't be weeping and gnashing you hear from the outer darkness; it will be laughter from the likes of me and the Luciferian filth you are addressing.
As long as you see him as simply a "character" in a book that represents something, you will read whatever you wish into it. And yes, we're going to disagree. I view him as an historical figure.
No, I don't seem him as only a character. But the stories written about him could not have been completely factual. No one could have recorded and written all of things in the stories. No honest person can take them as literal events. These were written by great fictional writers. Some of the greatest of all time.
However you see it...it's true. Jesus had the power to eliminate poverty and sickness. And he didn't.
Again, what was his parting words in Matthew 28? Was his command to go and make sure all are treated fairly? Or was it to preach the Gospel? Historically, God has never been about just giving us a happy, wonderful life on earth.
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The problem is that you think the Gospel is "you are bad by default, but your badness is goes away if you just believe xyz", and some of us think the Gospel is "you can be reconciled to Oneness by becoming a person who cares about others beyond yourself."
Simplified on both sides, of course.
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Why is this a problem MQ on a public forum?
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
What??? I don't understand the question. What does "a public forum" have to do with my response to BF?
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BF says Jesus's focus was on going out into the world to preach the Gospel, not making life better for people here on earth.
MQ says in response that the F Christians see the "Gospel" as being saving from sin/hell, while NF Christians see the "Gospel" as a reconciliation to God as the Oneness that brings us closer to what we should be.
Don't see where any "public forum" issue comes in. BF is allowed to state his belief on this forum, and so am I.
Although, I would argue that this is not exactly a "public forum", since it's a business set up to make a profit, but I know what you meant.
I was wondering why you stated the bolded above. Why is it a problem?
I should have left off the public forum part. But what I meant by a public forum, is that is 'open' to various views.
It was not directed at you. But it would apply to anyone who ignores the core message of the Bible to discuss these tiny details which seem to have a profound influence on their preferred form of faith.
No. It's logical. Do you believe Jesus could have eliminated poverty if he so chose to? If so..why didn't he?
What a dumb question, you speak like one of the widows in Elijah's day . Jesus taught to have faith in God, that in believing what you are saying is a done deal "when you pray", you shall have what you say. Whether you believe this or not or whether it is true or not, it IS what Jesus taught. It has got nothing to do with Jesus witholding. If the gospel accounts are true about all that he did and all that is not written that he did, then there must have been a massive outpouring of restoration in many various ways in the lives of multitudes.
The core theology in the Bible is not social justice. I bet a dollar to a doughnut hole, you don't even believe the Bible is really God's inspired word. You are just making up stuff that fits your theology.
The core theology of the Bible, including the OT, is the person and work of Jesus the Messiah.
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BF is allowed to state his belief on this forum, and so am I.
