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What that means is that the Father's will, as described in the Scriptures, is the arbiter of the issue. Passages in Matthew 25 and Revelation 20 and others clearly indicate God's plan for some to perish.
My friend, God's plan ends as it began. He is the Source, the Guide and the Goal of the all. Not just "ta" or "pante." He is the Beginning and Ending of the all!
"Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off." -A. W. Robertson-
So, you do not believe that ALL will be called forth from the grave?
And the lake of fire is a safe harbor to cleanse those who need it.
It's the end of death and the evil or wicked thoughts of men.
Yes the resurrection will be to judgement. Fire in Revelation = destruction-eternal. The first death is not the permanent death, the second death is permanent.
God set this before all-Deut 30:19)-- LIFE or DEATH
Yes the resurrection will be to judgement. Fire in Revelation = destruction-eternal. The first death is not the permanent death, the second death is permanent.
God set this before all-Deut 30:19)-- LIFE or DEATH
"The last enemy being progressively brought down to idleness (made unemployed and ineffective; rendered useless and unproductive; nullified; abolished) [is] the Death.
For, "He subjects (arranges in subordination, bringing under full control) all things under His feet." Now whenever He may say that everything (all things) has been arranged in subjection and placed under full control, [it is] evident (clearly visible) that [it is] with the exception of and outside of the One subjecting the whole (arranging all things in subordination under) in Him (to Him; for Him).
Now whenever the whole (all things) may be subjected in Him (to Him; for Him), then the Son Himself will also be subjected (placed and arranged under) in the One (to the One) subjecting the whole (all things) in Him (to Him), that God can be all things within the midst of and in union with all men (or, as a nuet.: may be everything in all things; or: should exist being All in all)." -Jonathan Mitchell Translation-
“Annihilation is the triumph of death over life: it is the very antithesis to the gospel, which asserts the triumph of Christ over every form of death.” -Christ Triumphant-
“Hey big man in the skies what the hell you playing at causing the sun to shine on us?
you do it every day you are here to you curse his children and his word.
you say that the Lord does not care about their will. that makes him lawless.
yes he might ask them to let him change their minds .. but he won't usurp their rights. I say you do not know him!
it is your God who kills men for being fat or lazy Not mine! and to think he controlled thier will and yet he still killed all but Lot and his daughters ( so they were skinny right?) for being fat right? .. by what you say he could have stopped the wife from looking back also! yet she died and turned into a pillar of salt for her own choices.
you don't know his word or him either. yet you are here to curse the sunshine and the grace we all get in the form of time to repent and to come into agreement with him and his defintions, and certainly not yours!
only he can fix how you are broken! please ask him while there is time and the sun still shines.
The lake of Fire = the 2nd death= permanent death--The bible clearly teaches--all thought stops on the day of ones death. So if one is dead, they wont even know where they are.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
So, you do not believe that ALL will be called forth from the grave?
And the lake of fire is a safe harbor to cleanse those who need it.
It's the end of death and the evil or wicked thoughts of men.
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Originally Posted by kjw47
Yes the resurrection will be to judgement. Fire in Revelation = destruction-eternal. The first death is not the permanent death, the second death is permanent.
God set this before all-Deut 30:19)-- LIFE or DEATH
My friend, God's plan ends as it began. He is the Source, the Guide and the Goal of the all. Not just "ta" or "pante." He is the Beginning and Ending of the all!
"Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off." -A. W. Robertson-
The reason Judas perished was to fulfill Scripture. That's what Jesus said.
The Greek word in John 17 is apollumi - which means destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. The root word is apo - which implies separation.
So Judas perishing is not about elimination... it's about separation from the source of life, who is God. Judas will be there... under the earth, separated from God's direct presence... but not out of God's reach.
The reason Judas perished was to fulfill Scripture. That's what Jesus said.
The Greek word in John 17 is apollumi - which means destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. The root word is apo - which implies separation.
So Judas perishing is not about elimination... it's about separation from the source of life, who is God. Judas will be there... under the earth, separated from God's direct presence... but not out of God's reach.
My friend, there is no life outside of the Source of life, none, nada! Further, in the final chapters of our Fathers reconciliation every knee bows, every tongue confesses in union with the Name of all names, in worship! Yes, this is not perfunctory genuflections but all that flows from IN Christ Jesus.
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."
"The last enemy being progressively brought down to idleness (made unemployed and ineffective; rendered useless and unproductive; nullified; abolished) [is] the Death.
For, "He subjects (arranges in subordination, bringing under full control) all things under His feet." Now whenever He may say that everything (all things) has been arranged in subjection and placed under full control, [it is] evident (clearly visible) that [it is] with the exception of and outside of the One subjecting the whole (arranging all things in subordination under) in Him (to Him; for Him).
Now whenever the whole (all things) may be subjected in Him (to Him; for Him), then the Son Himself will also be subjected (placed and arranged under) in the One (to the One) subjecting the whole (all things) in Him (to Him), that God can be all things within the midst of and in union with all men (or, as a nuet.: may be everything in all things; or: should exist being All in all)." -Jonathan Mitchell Translation-
“Annihilation is the triumph of death over life: it is the very antithesis to the gospel, which asserts the triumph of Christ over every form of death.” -Christ Triumphant-
Yes after Jesus 1000 year reign as Gods appointed king,( 1Cor 15:24-28) he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself)------ forever. All is made clean and handed to his Father. All mortals have washed their robes white( righteous) and the earth has been transformed into a paradise( Eden)--all will live happily ever after. Gods kingdom in full control forever.
Yes after Jesus 1000 year reign as Gods appointed king,( 1Cor 15:24-28) he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself)------ forever. All is made clean and handed to his Father. All mortals have washed their robes white( righteous) and the earth has been transformed into a paradise( Eden)--all will live happily ever after. Gods kingdom in full control forever.
Yup: "all mortals"... "all will live happily ever after" ALL!
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."
I will let God be God and God's judgements will stand.
and I will leave his business to him. I will not be sad for 11th hour forgiveness or for his judgements.. that is his business. not mineadn only he is just and only he knows what justice means.. .
I will not judge Him or His plans or His rights to execute those plans. .
If you wish you can because you are doing just that ..
but I refuse to stand in judgement of God judgements..
thanks anyway! but I will leave that up to you all...
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