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If someone clarifies a verse by quoting other verses, they are still not adding to it.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Jesus said this: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
It is not added by "fundamentalists". It's in the Bible.
Let us not pretend He did not say that, and let us not pretend there aren't 200 (more or less) other verses which are in line with it.
And yet we KNOW according to scripture EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Which tells us that this scripture is absolutely correct to state
Jesus Christ IS the savior of all men, and not the potential saviour.
It also matches up with the restitution of all things spoken by all the holy prophets.
I am not sure what the word potential implies, sorry. Most of my studying was done at home, independently. Wasn't allowed to attend church growing up.
Somewhere in Ephesians it states we were chosen "in him" before the foundation of the world
GOD is all knowing so it would make no sense for him to want to save some one he knows ahead of time, will not choose him. It's a mystery really, which unfolds somewhat as we progress in maturity in Christ but doubtful it will be fully understood while in this fleshly body sporting a limited finite mind
I am not a believer because I wish it be this way. Not sure how anyone could want it to be this way.
I am a believer because scripture is Gods telephone to communicate with us so we can have a relationship with him. It is truth
Nah, it's not. That's a terrible error that leads one down the wrong road. Scripture was written by men, and that MUST always be kept in mind. Once you start thinking that it's literally God's word, it opens a door to pride, self-righteousness, and misuse of power.
We get it--it's so much simpler to just quote pre-written words. No thinking has to be done, no measures taken of one own's flaws and paths to self-correction. But, it's not simple. Life, and relationships, including humanity's relationship with God, is not simple, not definable, and not easily summed up by rote repetition of the words of others who sought the same. There is much wisdom and much foolishness to be found in the Bible, just like in the humans who set down their thoughts in writing and left it behind.
Ironically, I find the author to be more close minded than the fundamentalist that he stereotypes in the article. Atheists like him won't even conceive the possibility that they could be wrong even though there is not a single shred of proof to show that there is no life after death.
A born again believer does not rest faith merely on wishful thinking. We have real supernatural encounters that strengthen our faith as well as countless evidences that clearly show that love is the element to life, and when there is no love, the human experience withers and dies as people feel empty inside.
From a purely atheist worldwide, human beings should never feeel hopeless or resort to suicide. We should be quite satisfied with just sleeping, eating and pooping like every other animal species.
ItIsWritten, you wrote:
"I am a believer because scripture is Gods telephone to communicate with us so we can have a relationship with him. It is truth" but I get the feeling that you are a believer because you encountered the "Guide" that Jesus promised (not a book) and ar only confused because people have told you that tne Bible is the Word.
Nah, it's not. That's a terrible error that leads one down the wrong road. Scripture was written by men, and that MUST always be kept in mind. Once you start thinking that it's literally God's word, it opens a door to pride, self-righteousness, and misuse of power.
We get it--it's so much simpler to just quote pre-written words. No thinking has to be done, no measures taken of one own's flaws and paths to self-correction. But, it's not simple. Life, and relationships, including humanity's relationship with God, is not simple, not definable, and not easily summed up by rote repetition of the words of others who sought the same. There is much wisdom and much foolishness to be found in the Bible, just like in the humans who set down their thoughts in writing and left it behind.
Nah, it's not. That's a terrible error that leads one down the wrong road. Scripture was written by men, and that MUST always be kept in mind. Once you start thinking that it's literally God's word, it opens a door to pride, self-righteousness, and misuse of power.
We get it--it's so much simpler to just quote pre-written words. No thinking has to be done, no measures taken of one own's flaws and paths to self-correction. But, it's not simple. Life, and relationships, including humanity's relationship with God, is not simple, not definable, and not easily summed up by rote repetition of the words of others who sought the same. There is much wisdom and much foolishness to be found in the Bible, just like in the humans who set down their thoughts in writing and left it behind.
You seem to have alot of resentment and pre-concieved notions you are applying to me.
I haven't quoted scripture ....but yes, it testifies to itself as such. So it's impossible to believe in the gospel without believing this. Otherwise or you are just not a believer, period. So it's good to be honest about it.
Just like if I go into the Muslim forum, then state man wrote the koran when/if it testifies to itself as being the word of God, I cannot dispute that them claim to be a follower. Otherwise i am being disingenuous and sneaky
Last edited by ItIsWritten.; 05-18-2018 at 10:29 AM..
ItIsWritten, you wrote:
"I am a believer because scripture is Gods telephone to communicate with us so we can have a relationship with him. It is truth" but I get the feeling that you are a believer because you encountered the "Guide" that Jesus promised (not a book) and ar only confused because people have told you that tne Bible is the Word.
We can only know our God thru one lifeline, his word.
Otherwise you would not know Jesus name at all if it weren't for the bible.
Nor any truths about him or your relationship with him.
So we are all set now.
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