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Stop digging holes F.J. I am so sorry Dr. Wm. Barclay reeks of false teaching.
Again: follow the bouncing ball
"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends."
Ta pante= the all.
Unfortunately for you, Dr Barclay is dead on, as is the following...
"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction." Romans 9:22
Fitted=katartivzw
Katartivzw=
To render or to fit.
To make sound or complete.
To mend what has been broken or rent.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
Ops the word for destruction is "apolia" and means utter destruction.
Plus the next verse shows that in the context the ones who are subjects of His wrath do not get His mercy that is another group.
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
VS 21 shows two groups one for destruction and one for mercy.
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Taking a verse out of context leads to misunderstanding it.
Ops the word for destruction is "apolia" and means utter destruction.
Plus the next verse shows that in the context the ones who are subjects of His wrath do not get His mercy that is another group.
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
VS 21 shows two groups one for destruction and one for mercy.
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Taking a verse out of context leads to misunderstanding it.
Well that's a contradiction to the parable of the wicked servant, you know the servant who was basically bankrupt and had no chance of repaying his debt. Although he does get his just desserts "until" he's paid his last penny for not showing the same spirit of mercy he'd been shown
Heaven and Earth, or God and man. No one knows what the other poster was trying to say, but clearly he lacks understanding of fundamental Christian beliefs.
I thought you believed being saved from eternal hell?. I must have been thinking of somone else. Saved from separation, maybe ? Saved from perishing? Saved from punishment? , but hang on if you are eternally separated then where are the eternally separated ?.
Is there actually a scripture that says that Jesus bridged the gap between God and man, a belief apparently widely accepted across all denominations?. It was a veil that was lifted not a gap bridged.
The scientist: Genesis story is ridiculous as is the rest of the Old Testament. And, parts of the New Testament is corrupt too! Science makes its own truth. I am a Christian
The Worldly: the Bible is full of contradictions. Getting high and drunk is not a sin. My philosophy aligns with Oprah. It feels good it must be right. I am a Christian too
The sexual deviant: The Bible is wrong and hateful concerning sexual behavior. Parts of has been changed by haters. hooray! Finally, we can marry whomever and whatever we want. I am a Christian but I tell my friends I am New Age
The post modernist: the Bible has been corrupted, changed, and misinterpreted. Jesus is a great teacher and role model. Everyone will enter heaven. I am a Christian and everyone is a moron for not agreeing with me
The cultist: jesus is a wonderful teacher but he is not truly God. The Spirit whispers to me telling me the real story. I am a Christian as the voices tell me so.
The fundlamentalist: Father in heaven. Thank you for sending your Son to save a sinner like me. I am so grateful for your wonderful Word. I am... the Elect.
The scientist: Genesis story is ridiculous as is the rest of the Old Testament. And, parts of the New Testament is corrupt too! Science makes its own truth. I am a Christian
The Worldly: the Bible is full of contradictions. Getting high and drunk is not a sin. My philosophy aligns with Oprah. It feels good it must be right. I am a Christian too
The sexual deviant: The Bible is wrong and hateful concerning sexual behavior. Parts of has been changed by haters. hooray! Finally, we can marry whomever and whatever we want. I am a Christian but I tell my friends I am New Age
The post modernist: the Bible has been corrupted, changed, and misinterpreted. Jesus is a great teacher and role model. Everyone will enter heaven. I am a Christian and everyone is a moron for not agreeing with me
The cultist: jesus is a wonderful teacher but he is not truly God. The Spirit whispers to me telling me the real story. I am a Christian as the voices tell me so.
The fundlamentalist: Father in heaven. Thank you for sending your Son to save a sinner like me. I am so grateful for your wonderful Word. I am... the Elect.
The scientist: Genesis story is ridiculous as is the rest of the Old Testament. And, parts of the New Testament is corrupt too! Science makes its own truth. I am a Christian
The Worldly: the Bible is full of contradictions. Getting high and drunk is not a sin. My philosophy aligns with Oprah. It feels good it must be right. I am a Christian too
The sexual deviant: The Bible is wrong and hateful concerning sexual behavior. Parts of has been changed by haters. hooray! Finally, we can marry whomever and whatever we want. I am a Christian but I tell my friends I am New Age
The post modernist: the Bible has been corrupted, changed, and misinterpreted. Jesus is a great teacher and role model. Everyone will enter heaven. I am a Christian and everyone is a moron for not agreeing with me
The cultist: jesus is a wonderful teacher but he is not truly God. The Spirit whispers to me telling me the real story. I am a Christian as the voices tell me so.
The fundlamentalist: Father in heaven. Thank you for sending your Son to save a sinner like me. I am so grateful for your wonderful Word. I am... the Elect.
I AM.
Whatever one writes after those 2 words judges one.
But they cannot be taken away from any ONE, because as I AM so HE IS, and He will see to whatever his desire is for everyone irrespective of one's labels.
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Ops the word for destruction is "apolia" and means utter destruction.
fitted= (kathrtismena)
And what does kathrtismena mean Expat?
"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction." Romans 9:22
Fitted=katartivzw
Katartivzw=
To render or to fit.
To make sound or complete.
To mend what has been broken or rent.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
Although this will be hard to bear for some of you...our Father in destruction makes sound and complete, and mends what is broken or rent!
Ops the word for destruction is "apolia" and means utter destruction.
Expat, you can attempt to destroy the vast segments of mankind with "utter destruction", but I want to let you know all created life "shall be delivered"...not might be....the whole of created life shall be delivered. And yes, every dimension of the earth, the heavens, and the underworld shall in the final chapter of our Father's plan sing in antiphonal chorus of worship!
"I believe that it is impossible to set limits to the grace of God. I believe that not only in this world, but in any other world there may be, the grace of God is still effective, still operative, still at work. I do not believe that the operation of the grace of God is limited to this world. I believe that the grace of God is as wide as the universe."
"I believe implicitly in the ultimate and complete triumph of God, the time when all things will be subject to him, and when God will be everything to everyone (1 Cor. 15:24-28). For me this has certain consequences. If one man remains outside the love of God at the end of time, it means that that one man has defeated the love of God - and that is impossible. Further, there is only one way in which we can think of the triumph of God. If God was no more than a King or Judge, then it would be possible to speak of his triumph, if his enemies were agonizing in hell or were totally and completely obliterated and wiped out. But God is not only King and Judge, God is Father - he is indeed Father more than anything else. No father could be happy while there were members of his family for ever in agony. No father would count it a triumph to obliterate the disobedient members of his family. The only triumph a father can know is to have all his family back home. The only victory love can enjoy is the day when its offer of love is answered by the return of love. The only possible final triumph is a universe loved by and in love with God." -Dr. William Barclay-
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