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Which is my point bro.....it takes BOTH the literal Torah and the Spirit in union to produce the correct image. Anyone who does not, is no different than Israel, THEN, and will be judged accordingly, "ie. get away from Me I never knew you", knew as a woman laid down, a FOUNDATION IS LAID DOWN. Peace
Here is what Adonai says:
“For Mo’av’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because he burned the bones of the king of Edom,
turning them into lime;
2 I will send fire on Mo’av,
and it will consume the palaces of K’riot.
Mo’av will die with turmoil and shouting,
along with the sound of the shofar.
3 I will cut off the judge from among them
and kill all his princes with him,” says Adonai.
4 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Y’hudah’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they rejected Adonai’s Torah
and haven’t observed his laws,
and their lies caused them to fall into error
and live the way their ancestors did;
5 I will send fire on Y’hudah,
and it will consume the palaces of Yerushalayim.
6 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Isra’el’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they sell the upright for silver
and the poor for a pair of shoes,
7 grinding the heads of the poor in the dust
and pushing the lowly out of the way;
father and son sleep with the same girl,
profaning my holy name;
8 lying down beside any altar
on garments taken in pledge;
drinking wine in the house of their God
bought with fines they imposed.
9 “I destroyed the Emori before them;
though tall as cedars and strong as oaks,
I destroyed their fruit above
and their root below.
10 More than that, I brought you up from Egypt,
led you forty years in the desert,
so that you could have the Emori’s land.
11 I raised up some of your sons to be prophets,
other young men of yours to be n’zirim.
People of Isra’el!
Isn’t that true?” asks Adonai.
12 But you gave the n’zirim wine to drink
and ordered the prophets, ‘Don’t prophesy!’
13 “Enough! I will make all this crush you,
just as a cart overloaded with grain
crushes what’s under it.
14 Even the swift won’t be able to flee;
the strong won’t be able to use their strength,
the warriors won’t save themselves.
15 Archers won’t be able to stand,
the fastest runners won’t save themselves,
those on horses won’t save themselves.
16 On that day even the bravest warriors
will throw off their weapons and flee,” says Adonai.
3s and 4s.
Who are you calling a Liar.?
“Listen to this word which Adonai has spoken against you, people of Isra’el, against the entire family that I brought up from the land of Egypt:
2 “Of all the families on earth,
only you have I intimately known.
This is why I will punish you
for all your crimes.”
3 Do two people travel together
without having so agreed?
4 Does a lion roar in the forest
when it has no prey?
Does a young lion growl in his lair
if it has caught nothing?
5 Does a bird get caught in a trap on the ground
if it hasn’t been baited?
Does a trap spring up from the ground
when it has taken nothing?
6 When the shofar is blown in the city,
don’t the people tremble?
Can disaster befall a city
without Adonai’s having done it?
7 Adonai, God, does nothing without
revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.
8 The lion has roared. Who will not fear?
Adonai, God, has spoken. Who will not prophesy?
9 “Proclaim it on the palaces in Ashdod
and on the palaces in the land of Egypt; say:
‘Assemble yourselves on the hills of Shomron!
See what great tumult is seething within it,
how much oppression is being done there.’
10 For they don’t know how to do right,” says Adonai.
“They store up violence and robbery in their palaces.”
11 Therefore, here is what Adonai Elohim says:
“An enemy will surround the land.
He will strip you of your strength,
and plunder your palaces.”
12 This is what Adonai says:
13 “As a shepherd rescues from the mouth of a lion
a couple of leg bones or a piece of an ear;
so the people of Isra’el in Shomron will be rescued,
huddled under cushions in the corners of their beds.
“Hear, and testify against the house of Ya‘akov,”
says Adonai Elohim Elohei-Tzva’ot.
14 “For when I punish Isra’el’s crimes,
I will also punish the altars of Beit-El.
The horns of the altar will be cut off,
and they will fall to the ground.
15 I will tear down winter houses
as well as summer houses;
houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed;
the mansions will be no more,” says Adonai.
Everyone can continue reading from Amos.
Hebrews 12
So then, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us, too, put aside every impediment — that is, the sin which easily hampers our forward movement — and keep running with endurance in the contest set before us, 2 looking away to the Initiator and Completer of that trusting,[a] Yeshua — who, in exchange for obtaining the joy set before him, endured execution on a stake as a criminal, scorning the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.[b] 3 Yes, think about him who endured such hostility against himself from sinners, so that you won’t grow tired or become despondent. 4 You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in the contest against sin.
5 Also you have forgotten the counsel which speaks with you as sons:
“My son, don’t despise the discipline of Adonai
or become despondent when he corrects you.
6 For Adonai disciplines those he loves
and whips everyone he accepts as a son.”[c]
7 Regard your endurance as discipline; God is dealing with you as sons. For what son goes undisciplined by his father? 8 All legitimate sons undergo discipline; so if you don’t, you’re a mamzer and not a son!
Here is what Adonai says:
“For Mo’av’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because he burned the bones of the king of Edom,
turning them into lime;
2 I will send fire on Mo’av,
and it will consume the palaces of K’riot.
Mo’av will die with turmoil and shouting,
along with the sound of the shofar.
3 I will cut off the judge from among them
and kill all his princes with him,” says Adonai.
4 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Y’hudah’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they rejected Adonai’s Torah
and haven’t observed his laws,
and their lies caused them to fall into error
and live the way their ancestors did;
5 I will send fire on Y’hudah,
and it will consume the palaces of Yerushalayim.
6 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Isra’el’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they sell the upright for silver
and the poor for a pair of shoes,
7 grinding the heads of the poor in the dust
and pushing the lowly out of the way;
father and son sleep with the same girl,
profaning my holy name;
8
9 “I destroyed the Emori before them;
though tall as cedars and strong as oaks,
I destroyed their fruit above
and their root below.
10 More than that, I brought you up from Egypt,
led you forty years in the desert,
so that you could have the Emori’s land.
11 I raised up some of your sons to be prophets,
other young men of yours to be n’zirim.
People of Isra’el!
Isn’t that true?” asks Adonai.
12 But you gave the n’zirim wine to drink
and ordered the prophets, ‘Don’t prophesy!’
13 “Enough! I will make all this crush you,
just as a cart overloaded with grain
crushes what’s under it.
14 Even the swift won’t be able to flee;
the strong won’t be able to use their strength,
the warriors won’t save themselves.
15 Archers won’t be able to stand,
the fastest runners won’t save themselves,
those on horses won’t save themselves.
16 On that day even the bravest warriors
will throw off their weapons and flee,” says Adonai.
3s and 4s.
Who are you calling a Liar.?
I am suggesting that he is suggesting that there is NOne innocent in any part of this world and on any mountian .. and only in repentance do we find salvation.
yes Israel is went pagan and filthy..
But Judah violated nearly in the same way that pagan violate each other.. they violated His laws with their
ideas ..
inputting their seeds of humanity in to his Laws. the very death between their ears they applied to his laws
which is the same as this......
.
Quote:
lying down beside any altar
on garments taken in pledge;
drinking wine in the house of their God
bought with fines they imposed.
is this not nearly identical to the very reason he overturned the tables in the temple? they were imposing fines for exchanges and getting rich off of the poor?
even so changing his laws meanings to be able to kill the prophets and a lot of innocent men (like steven )and even the Father's son . His law did not stay simple or stay pure. I think the law it is meant to bring us liberty.. to stop death between our ears .. because it had become tainted by mens seed which brought bondage to laws and death to people ...
even violated unto death , each other like they did Jesus Christ their messiah , and like they had almost the prophet before him and after them and would still
do HIM today.. .. and were not any different than Israel and they were doing it all in His name too .
no there is not one innocent !
I say ( Adoni ) the plurality of God said what was right and that 3 and 4's are right..
and even the church not much different now days..
the statistics in the churches is exactly the same as the worldly statistics almost. the church has taught them to
" follow their heart " to become like everyone else. gosh we did that so well.. so well" they just living for good vibrations.
but we should be different , we should be of His seed as he writes his simple pure laws on our hearts .. not of the seed of men laws and ugly hearts that do not know what even love is. like the mirror laws, I talked about as to what we hate about ourselves .. it true on the flip side you must become his love to recognize it in someone else and to love fully !! and you will only see his love in others with it in them.
and you won't be able to define it because it is way more than just some good vibrations.
I am suggesting that he is suggesting that there is NOne innocent in any part of this world and on any mountian .. and only in repentance do we find salvation.
yes Israel is went pagan and filthy..
But Judah violated nearly in the same way that pagan violate each other.. they violated His laws with their
ideas ..
inputting their seeds of humanity in to his Laws. the very death between their ears they applied to his laws
which is the same as this......
.
is this not nearly identical to the very reason he overturned the tables in the temple? they were imposing fines for exchanges and getting rich off of the poor?
even so changing his laws meanings to be able to kill the prophets and a lot of innocent men (like steven )and even the Father's son . His law did not stay simple or stay pure. I think the law it is meant to bring us liberty.. to stop death between our ears .. because it had become tainted by mens seed which brought bondage to laws and death to people ...
even violated unto death , each other like they did Jesus Christ their messiah , and like they had almost the prophet before him and after them and would still
do HIM today.. .. and were not any different than Israel and they were doing it all in His name too .
no there is not one innocent !
I say ( Adoni ) the plurality of God said what was right and that 3 and 4's are right..
and even the church not much different now days..
the statistics in the churches is exactly the same as the worldly statistics almost. the church has taught them to
" follow their heart " to become like everyone else. gosh we did that so well.. so well" they just living for good vibrations.
but we should be different , we should be of His seed as he writes his simple pure laws on our hearts .. not of the seed of men laws and ugly hearts that do not know what even love is. like the mirror laws, I talked about as to what we hate about ourselves .. it true on the flip side you must become his love to recognize it in someone else and to love fully !! and you will only see his love in others with it in them.
and you won't be able to define it because it is way more than just some good vibrations.
“Listen to this word which Adonai has spoken against you, people of Isra’el, against the entire family that I brought up from the land of Egypt: “Of all the families on earth,
only you have I intimately known.
ole sh,aul.. Grace to you and shalom from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
8 First, I thank my God through Yeshua the Messiah for all of you, because the report of your trust is spreading throughout the whole world. 9 For God, whom I serve in my spirit by spreading the Good News about his Son, is my witness that I regularly remember you 10 in my prayers; and I always pray that somehow, now or in the future, I might, by God’s will, succeed in coming to visit you. 11 For I long to see you, so that I might share with you some spiritual gift that can make you stronger — 12 or, to put it another way, so that by my being with you, we might, through the faith we share, encourage one another. 13 Brothers, I want you to know that although I have been prevented from visiting you until now, I have often planned to do so, in order that I might have some fruit among you, just as I have among the other Gentiles. 14 I owe a debt to both civilized Greeks and uncivilized people, to both the educated and the ignorant; 15 therefore I am eager to proclaim the Good News also to you who live in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News, since it is God’s powerful means of bringing salvation to everyone who keeps on trusting, to the Jew especially, but equally to the Gentile. 17 For in it is revealed how God makes people righteous in his sight; and from beginning to end it is through trust — as the Tanakh puts it, “But the person who is righteous will live his life by Faith{<>}trust.”
.
is this not nearly identical to the very reason he overturned the tables in the temple? they were imposing fines for exchanges and getting rich off of the poor?
Ezekiel had changed the laws of sacrifice and who was responsible for the sacrifice and how the dealings of sacrifices would change, and that change was not being exhibited in the Temple in the days of Jesus.
Here is what Adonai says:
“For Mo’av’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because he burned the bones of the king of Edom,
turning them into lime;
2 I will send fire on Mo’av,
and it will consume the palaces of K’riot.
Mo’av will die with turmoil and shouting,
along with the sound of the shofar.
3 I will cut off the judge from among them
and kill all his princes with him,” says Adonai.
“How blessed are the poor in spirit!
for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
“How blessed are those who mourn!
for they will be comforted.
“How blessed are the meek!
for they will inherit the Land!
4 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Y’hudah’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they rejected Adonai’s Torah
and haven’t observed his laws,
and their lies caused them to fall into error
and live the way their ancestors did;
5 I will send fire on Y’hudah,
and it will consume the palaces of Yerushalayim.
“How blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness!
for they will be filled.
“How blessed are those who show mercy!
for they will be shown mercy.
“How blessed are the pure in heart!
for they will see God.
6 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Isra’el’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they sell the upright for silver
and the poor for a pair of shoes,
7 grinding the heads of the poor in the dust
and pushing the lowly out of the way;
father and son sleep with the same girl,
profaning my holy name;
8 lying down beside any altar
on garments taken in pledge;
drinking wine in the house of their God
bought with fines they imposed.
9 “I destroyed the Emori before them;
though tall as cedars and strong as oaks,
I destroyed their fruit above
and their root below.
10 More than that, I brought you up from Egypt,
led you forty years in the desert,
so that you could have the Emori’s land.
11 I raised up some of your sons to be prophets,
other young men of yours to be n’zirim.
People of Isra’el!
“How blessed are those who make peace!
for they will be called sons of God.
“How blessed are those who are persecuted
because they pursue righteousness!
for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
“How blessed you are when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of vicious lies about you because you follow me! 12 Rejoice, be glad, because your reward in heaven is great — they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way.
Isn’t that true?” asks Adonai.
12 But you gave the n’zirim wine to drink
and ordered the prophets, ‘Don’t prophesy!’
13 “Enough! I will make all this crush you,
just as a cart overloaded with grain
crushes what’s under it.
14 Even the swift won’t be able to flee;
the strong won’t be able to use their strength,
the warriors won’t save themselves.
15 Archers won’t be able to stand,
the fastest runners won’t save themselves,
those on horses won’t save themselves.
16 On that day even the bravest warriors
will throw off their weapons and flee,” says Adonai.
I am suggesting that he is suggesting that there is NOne innocent in any part of this world and on any mountian .. and only in repentance do we find salvation.
yes Israel is went pagan and filthy..
But Judah violated nearly in the same way that pagan violate each other.. they violated His laws with their
ideas ..
inputting their seeds of humanity in to his Laws. the very death between their ears they applied to his laws
which is the same as this......
.
is this not nearly identical to the very reason he overturned the tables in the temple? they were imposing fines for exchanges and getting rich off of the poor?
even so changing his laws meanings to be able to kill the prophets and a lot of innocent men (like steven )and even the Father's son . His law did not stay simple or stay pure. I think the law it is meant to bring us liberty.. to stop death between our ears .. because it had become tainted by mens seed which brought bondage to laws and death to people ...
even violated unto death , each other like they did Jesus Christ their messiah , and like they had almost the prophet before him and after them and would still
do HIM today.. .. and were not any different than Israel and they were doing it all in His name too .
no there is not one innocent !
I say ( Adoni ) the plurality of God said what was right and that 3 and 4's are right..
and even the church not much different now days..
the statistics in the churches is exactly the same as the worldly statistics almost. the church has taught them to
" follow their heart " to become like everyone else. gosh we did that so well.. so well" they just living for good vibrations.
but we should be different , we should be of His seed as he writes his simple pure laws on our hearts .. not of the seed of men laws and ugly hearts that do not know what even love is. like the mirror laws, I talked about as to what we hate about ourselves .. it true on the flip side you must become his love to recognize it in someone else and to love fully !! and you will only see his love in others with it in them.
and you won't be able to define it because it is way more than just some good vibrations.
How blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and go through the gates into the city!
right, no one is infallible.
So what could a person pay back for the free gift of Grace given with the Blood as a witness to wash the garments.
Honor and praise is all i know to speak.
How blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and go through the gates into the city!
right, no one is infallible.
So what could a person pay back for the free gift of Grace given with the Blood as a witness to wash the garments.
Honor and praise is all I know to speak.
and those sometimes are sacrifices NO?
and that is still about I say "obedience" , but it .. not obedience like a slave but of love or a lover maybe like SOS....." what do you need from me my dear one ?"..making oneself available to meet a need. thus obeying the needs of your family/ mate /Lord .
christianity was always to be like a great marriage .. always seeking ways to please and bring joy and health to each other..
and that is still about I say "obedience" , but it .. not obedience like a slave but of love or a lover maybe like SOS....." what do you need from me my dear one ?"..making oneself available to meet a need. thus obeying the needs of your family/ mate /Lord .
christianity was always to be like a great marriage .. always seeking ways to please and bring joy and health to each other..
The Lord's instruction is beautiful.
Moreover, understand this: in the acharit-hayamim will come trying times. 2 People will be self-loving, money-loving, proud, arrogant, insulting, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, uncontrolled, brutal, hateful of good, 4 traitorous, headstrong, swollen with conceit, loving pleasure rather than God, 5 as they retain the outer form of religion but deny its power.
Stay away from these people! 6 For some of them worm their way into homes and get control of weak-willed women who are heaped with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth. 8 In the same way as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moshe, so also these people oppose the truth. They are people with corrupted minds, whose trust cannot pass the test. 9 However, they won’t get very far; because everyone will see how stupid they are, just as happened with those two.
10 But you, you have closely followed my teaching, conduct, purpose in life, trust, steadfastness, love and perseverance — 11 as well as the persecutions and sufferings that came my way in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra. What persecutions I endured! Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 And indeed, all who want to live a godly life united with the Messiah Yeshua will be persecuted, 13 while evil people and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others and being deceived themselves.
14 But you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, recalling the people from whom you learned it; 15 and recalling too how from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which can give you the wisdom that leads to deliverance through trusting in Yeshua the Messiah. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; 17 thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.
Here is what Adonai says:
“For Mo’av’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because he burned the bones of the king of Edom,
turning them into lime;
2 I will send fire on Mo’av,
and it will consume the palaces of K’riot.
Mo’av will die with turmoil and shouting,
along with the sound of the shofar.
3 I will cut off the judge from among them
and kill all his princes with him,” says Adonai.
“How blessed are the poor in spirit!
for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
“How blessed are those who mourn!
for they will be comforted.
“How blessed are the meek!
for they will inherit the Land!
4 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Y’hudah’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they rejected Adonai’s Torah
and haven’t observed his laws,
and their lies caused them to fall into error
and live the way their ancestors did;
5 I will send fire on Y’hudah,
and it will consume the palaces of Yerushalayim.
“How blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness!
for they will be filled.
“How blessed are those who show mercy!
for they will be shown mercy.
“How blessed are the pure in heart!
for they will see God.
6 Here is what Adonai says:
“For Isra’el’s three crimes,
no, four — I will not reverse it —
because they sell the upright for silver
and the poor for a pair of shoes,
7 grinding the heads of the poor in the dust
and pushing the lowly out of the way;
father and son sleep with the same girl,
profaning my holy name;
8 lying down beside any altar
on garments taken in pledge;
drinking wine in the house of their God
bought with fines they imposed.
9 “I destroyed the Emori before them;
though tall as cedars and strong as oaks,
I destroyed their fruit above
and their root below.
10 More than that, I brought you up from Egypt,
led you forty years in the desert,
so that you could have the Emori’s land.
11 I raised up some of your sons to be prophets,
other young men of yours to be n’zirim.
People of Isra’el!
“How blessed are those who make peace!
for they will be called sons of God.
“How blessed are those who are persecuted
because they pursue righteousness!
for the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs.
“How blessed you are when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of vicious lies about you because you follow me! 12 Rejoice, be glad, because your reward in heaven is great — they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way.
Isn’t that true?” asks Adonai.
12 But you gave the n’zirim wine to drink
and ordered the prophets, ‘Don’t prophesy!’
13 “Enough! I will make all this crush you,
just as a cart overloaded with grain
crushes what’s under it.
14 Even the swift won’t be able to flee;
the strong won’t be able to use their strength,
the warriors won’t save themselves.
15 Archers won’t be able to stand,
the fastest runners won’t save themselves,
those on horses won’t save themselves.
16 On that day even the bravest warriors
will throw off their weapons and flee,” says Adonai.
bamidar [
14 {}18
'The Lord is slow to anger and abundantly kind, forgiving iniquity and transgression, Who cleanses [some] and does not cleanse [others], Who visits the iniquities of parents on children, even to the third and fourth generations.' יחיְהֹוָ֗ה אֶ֤רֶךְ אַפַּ֨יִם֙ וְרַב־חֶ֔סֶד נֹשֵׂ֥א עָוֹ֖ן וָפָ֑שַׁע וְנַקֵּה֙ לֹ֣א יְנַקֶּ֔ה פֹּקֵ֞ד עֲוֹ֤ן אָבוֹת֙ עַל־בָּנִ֔ים עַל־שִׁלֵּשִׁ֖ים וְעַל־רִבֵּעִֽים:
Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers) for In him was life,
and the life was the light of mankind.
devarim [
5 {}9
You shall not prostrate yourself before them, nor worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a zealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me. טלֹֽא־תִשְׁתַּֽחֲוֶ֥ה לָהֶ֖ם וְלֹ֥א תָֽעָבְדֵ֑ם כִּ֣י אָֽנֹכִ֞י יְהֹוָ֤ה אֱלֹהֶ֨יךָ֙ אֵ֣ל קַנָּ֔א פֹּ֠קֵ֠ד עֲו*ֹ֨ן אָב֧וֹת עַל־בָּנִ֛ים וְעַל־שִׁלֵּשִׁ֥ים וְעַל־רִבֵּעִ֖ים לְשֽׂנְאָֽי:
Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)}5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not suppressed it.
Blessed is the Holy One.
Forgive me readers if This is too much.
Do not be dissuaded.
Everything in due time.
Keep your yes, and no, and study with the Wonderfull Counselor.
Blessings Always.
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