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Old 05-25-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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He said, he would draw ALL [things] to himself, and that doesn't mean ONLY those that believe.
The Pharisees were drawn to Him... in a negative way.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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The Pharisees were drawn to Him... in a negative way.
And he corrected them, did he not? For is not judgment also given to him.
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:02 PM
 
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Yes. And it seems you'd believe the Spirit is Schizophrenic because he inspired the Apostles to say one thing and you think he tells you another.
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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Yes. And it seems you'd believe the Spirit is Schizophrenic because he inspired the Apostles to say one thing and you think he tells you another.
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If you believe that multiple spirits talk to you, then who is it that's Schizophrenic?
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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And he corrected them, did he not? For is not judgment also given to him.
From Jesus to his detractors...

John 8:21-24 - 21 Then He said again to them, "I go away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come." 22 So the Jews were saying, "Surely He will not kill Himself, will He, since He says, `Where I am going, you cannot come'?" 23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

Judgment pronounced. Even though they were drawn to Him, they would not believe. They would die in their sins. They would not be with Him.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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From Jesus to his detractors...

John 8:21-24 - 21 Then He said again to them, "I go away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come." 22 So the Jews were saying, "Surely He will not kill Himself, will He, since He says, `Where I am going, you cannot come'?" 23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

Judgment pronounced. Even though they were drawn to Him, they would not believe. They would die in their sins. They would not be with Him.
He was talking to the religious mindset of this world, not the person.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss.
But he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


You have to take what the whole of Scripture says, not just a verse.
It was their worldly "religious beliefs" that are being condemned.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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If you believe that multiple spirits talk to you, then who is it that's Schizophrenic?
Who believes that?
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Old 05-25-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Who believes that?
Those who do not believe that love is greater than faith.
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Old 05-25-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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Yes. And it seems you'd believe the Spirit is Schizophrenic because he inspired the Apostles to say one thing and you think he tells you another.
Fascinating. I think you must be talking about split personality rather than schizophrenia (it's a common error) but here is the interesting thing: I have to admonish YOU about claiming conflicting personality traits for the Spirit, and urge you to re-examine your concepts. God is love, the characteristics do NOT conflict. If the Apostles or anyone else says that something conflicts, they are NOT reporting what the Spirit inspires.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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Yes. And it seems you'd believe the Spirit is Schizophrenic because he inspired the Apostles to say one thing and you think he tells you another.
Apparently, that includes the words of Jesus, also.
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