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you are the one saying that the Father's love is bondage and that sinners are being thrown into it.
no the Fathers love is the way to liberty for then is through our choices NOW! to be subjected to his love NOW !
we are corrupt NOW and when we subject ourselves now. we come into the agreement with HIM now in our corporation we give him our liberty ..
. Then in His love he will set us free from the bondage to sin .. so that we can walk in perfect liberty subjected to no corruption or bondage then for eternity .
here now the corrupt walk in freedom to spread corruption, these will be bound later and thrown into that Love pool you talk about that has all the same qualities as hotel california.....
LOVE never SUBJECTS others.
sub·ject
verb
past tense: subjected; past participle: subjected
səbˈjekt/Submit
1. cause or force to undergo (a particular experience of form of treatment).
"he'd subjected her to a terrifying ordeal"
synonyms: put through, treat with, expose to
"they were subjected to violence"
2. bring (a person or country) under one's control or jurisdiction, typically by using force.
sub·ject
verb
past tense: subjected; past participle: subjected
səbˈjekt/Submit
1. cause or force to undergo (a particular experience of form of treatment).
"he'd subjected her to a terrifying ordeal"
synonyms: put through, treat with, expose to
"they were subjected to violence"
2. bring (a person or country) under one's control or jurisdiction, typically by using force.
well you two right tell that to the liberal churches and the lawsuits .. and the parades inthe streets ..
which make everyone attend adn even see events they do they do wish to participate in or bake cakes for them either, because that coerce and subjects other too ... swing both ways..
God love is offered free will and he asks us to submit to his kingship..
it is given ( the very defintion of love ) is a free will offering .. in exchange he gives us promises to remove our bondages so that we can one day Live in his kingdom as free children of and in his liberty given to the lawful.
This subject is near and dear to my heart, because over 30 years ago I heard the Almighty speak out of His glory, six words that changed me forever! It was not just the words, but the Presence that was impossible to escape. Then over 10 years later, after hiding the words in my being, my attention was drawn to the thirty unspoken sermons of George MacDonald written 100 years before. My God how He can humble you! But there it was, and NO Rose will not disclose one iota of it. I will say this.... the Lake burns with theion rooted in Theos. The Lake burns continually because it is the Lake of Theos, or lake of Divinity!
I have a good Christian friend who had that same thing spoken to him. I know you didn't spell it out ver batim, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. God is a consuming fire and burns up all that is useless dross.
Isaiah Chapter 33
1 What sorrow awaits you Assyrians, who have destroyed others
but have never been destroyed yourselves.
You betray others,
but you have never been betrayed.
When you are done destroying,
you will be destroyed.
When you are done betraying,
you will be betrayed.
2 But LORD, be merciful to us,
for we have waited for you.
Be our strong arm each day
and our salvation in times of trouble.
3 The enemy runs at the sound of your voice.
When you stand up, the nations flee!
4 Just as caterpillars and locusts strip the fields and vines,
so the fallen army of Assyria will be stripped!
5 Though the LORD is very great and lives in heaven,
he will make Jerusalem his home of justice and righteousness.
6 In that day he will be your sure foundation,
providing a rich store of salvation, wisdom, and knowledge.
The fear of the LORD will be your treasure.
7 But now your brave warriors weep in public.
Your ambassadors of peace cry in bitter disappointment.
8 Your roads are deserted;
no one travels them anymore.
The Assyrians have broken their peace treaty
and care nothing for the promises they made before witnesses.
They have no respect for anyone.
9 The land of Israel wilts in mourning.
Lebanon withers with shame.
The plain of Sharon is now a wilderness.
Bashan and Carmel have been plundered.
10 But the LORD says: “Now I will stand up.
Now I will show my power and might.
11 You Assyrians produce nothing but dry grass and stubble.
Your own breath will turn to fire and consume you.
12 Your people will be burned up completely,
like thornbushes cut down and tossed in a fire.
13 Listen to what I have done, you nations far away!
And you that are near, acknowledge my might!”
14 The sinners in Jerusalem shake with fear.
Terror seizes the godless.
“Who can live with this devouring fire?” they cry.
“Who can survive this all-consuming fire?”
15Those who are honest and fair,
who refuse to profit by fraud,
who stay far away from bribes,
who refuse to listen to those who plot murder,
who shut their eyes to all enticement to do wrong—
16these are the ones who will dwell on high.
The rocks of the mountains will be their fortress.
Food will be supplied to them,
and they will have water in abundance.
17 Your eyes will see the king in all his splendor,
and you will see a land that stretches into the distance.
18 You will think back to this time of terror, asking,
“Where are the Assyrian officers
who counted our towers?
Where are the bookkeepers
who recorded the plunder taken from our fallen city?”
19 You will no longer see these fierce, violent people
with their strange, unknown language.
20 Instead, you will see Zion as a place of holy festivals.
You will see Jerusalem, a city quiet and secure.
It will be like a tent whose ropes are taut
and whose stakes are firmly fixed.
21The LORD will be our Mighty One.
He will be like a wide river of protection
that no enemy can cross,
that no enemy ship can sail upon.
22For the LORD is our judge,
our lawgiver, and our king.
He will care for us and save us.
23 The enemies’ sails hang loose
on broken masts with useless tackle.
Their treasure will be divided by the people of God.
[color="Navy"]I have a good Christian friend who had that same thing spoken to him. I know you didn't spell it out ver batim, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. God is a consuming fire and burns up all that is useless dross.
Isaiah Chapter 33
My friend, it is wonderful to behold those who grasp the glory of our Father! Did you know that there is a word in the Sacred writings that speak of the many coloured facets of our glorious Lord. The word for today= poikilos. My God, I hope to begin to grasp greater dimensions of Him!
By the way, your name speaks volumes as does your keen insight into our Father.
As for the six words I have carried in my being these last few years. You have grasped the meaning; our God is indeed consuming fire, and I want to stand as close to Him as I can bear.
"We must all die, and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again. But the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored."
My friend, it is wonderful to behold those who grasp the glory of our Father! Did you know that there is a word in the Sacred writings that speak of the many coloured facets of our glorious Lord. The word for today= poikilos. My God, I hope to begin to grasp greater dimensions of Him!
By the way, your name speaks volumes as does your keen insight into our Father.
As for the six words I have carried in my being these last few years. You have grasped the meaning; our God is indeed consuming fire, and I want to stand as close to Him as I can bear.
"We must all die, and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again. But the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored."
The verse you posted about us being like water that must be spilled on the ground is one of my favorites. It is such a profound description of how he pours spirit into our vessels which must then be poured out for many throughout our lives, yet he can gather all back again to himself. Christ is the living water - his Father is like a consuming fire.
The verse you posted about us being like water that must be spilled on the ground is one of my favorites. It is such a profound description of how he pours spirit into our vessels which must then be poured out for many throughout our lives, yet he can gather all back again to himself. Christ is the living water - his Father is like a consuming fire.
My dear RainMusic, the majesty of the Eternal One leaves me overwhelmed! He kills, and He makes alive. Everything in His great Plan moves to bringing the all, the ta pante into transformation and change. Like all things invading my wee mind, it is beginning to dawn ever so slightly, that what begins in the mind of an earth-dwelling creature (a caterillar) leads to a creature of the heavenly (a butterfly.) Yes, metamorphoo, is breathing down on the wretched earth dwellers of our race awaiting release from the bondage of corruption!
P.S. our Father is not like consuming fire, our God is consuming fire, and we need preparation by Him to dwell in the everlasting burnings.
Hi there, my friend...The following is from an old Baptist who taught koine Greek for 47 years at graduate level.
Romans 11:36
"Of him (ex autou), through him (di autou), unto him (ei auton). By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the Source (ex), the Agent (di), the Goal (ei). For ever (ei tou aiwna). "For the ages." Alford terms this doxology in verses Romans 33-36 "the sublimest apostrophe existing even in the pages of inspiration itself."
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