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You can't say "agreed" ... then go on with "but.....".
Those above verses refute the views toward baptism that downplays its importance. Baptism is not a mere symbolic ritual.
Yes, I can agree with Scripture, but again water does not wash away sin. Jesus' blood does the cleansing, not water. The Old Testament gave a type and a shadow of the reality of Jesus' blood.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Do you have no answer either? If a person accepts Jesus as Savior, but then does not get baptized in water, what happens? Is the salvation revoked?
Nothing we do or do not do has anything to do with the salvation that Jesus achieved for us. The idea is just religious extortion. However, to be justified and sanctified under His Grace (perfect love) we need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't.
Nothing we do or do not do has anything to do with the salvation that Jesus achieved for us. The idea is just religious extortion. However, to be justified and sanctified under His Grace (perfect love) we need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't.
No, but the baptism by John was NOT the real baptism of Jesus. If as you believe Jesus's real baptism was the one given by John (and the one we need to emulate) then WHY did Jesus refer to the baptism He had to be baptized with AFTER having been baptized by John?
Luke 12:50 (New King James Version)
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished!
The baptism Jesus was to be baptized with was death and rebirth as Spirit (Holy Spirit). His consciousness is the ONLY human one that actually contained the complete Holy Spirit of God (Identical mind of God) and He could thereby make it available to the rest of us as the Comforter and guide within the collective human consciousness.
This is the purpose of the baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus brought to us - to be reborn after death as Spirit.
Romans 6:4 (King James Version)
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so, we also should walk in newness of life.
No, but the baptism by John was NOT the real baptism of Jesus. If as you believe Jesus's real baptism was the one given by John (and the one we need to emulate) then WHY did Jesus refer to the baptism He had to be baptized with AFTER having been baptized by John?
Luke 12:50 (New King James Version)
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished!
The baptism Jesus was to be baptized with was death and rebirth as Spirit (Holy Spirit). His consciousness is the ONLY human one that actually contained the complete Holy Spirit of God (Identical mind of God) and He could thereby make it available to the rest of us as the Comforter and guide within the collective human consciousness.
This is the purpose of the baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus brought to us - to be reborn after death as Spirit.
Romans 6:4 (King James Version)
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so, we also should walk in newness of life.
I understand the baptism of the Spirit. That’s what happens on the inside.
However, Jesus was baptized physically, as an example to us. He instructed us to make new disciples and baptize them. It is NOT religious extortion. It is publicly identifying with Christ.
Some of the things you say are completely off the wall.
Originally Posted by twin.spin
You can't say "agreed" ... then go on with "but.....".
Those above verses refute the views toward baptism that downplays its importance. Baptism is not a mere symbolic ritual
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Originally Posted by scgraham
Yes, I can agree with Scripture, but again water does not wash away sin. Jesus' blood does the cleansing, not water. The Old Testament gave a type and a shadow of the reality of Jesus' blood.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
These two alone about Baptism is quite clear:
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16
And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
Last edited by twin.spin; 06-07-2018 at 08:01 PM..
MERCY also dos a good job of scrubbing off the crud.
Mercy was the motivation. The blood of Christ cleanses us from our sins.
Heb. 9:22
Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.
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