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Old 06-04-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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Not just believers, or "overcomers." Everyone is judged - believer, or non.
I know... one's destination does not depend on judgment and works, but on one's relationship with Christ.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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A God who knows evil...!? ...oh my!, even though the presumption is obviously 'without sin', that has to be pretty close to blasphemy. ...I suppose I jest - I don't take it seriously, perhaps and hopefully because I appreciate there's no such thing as blasphemy, except in the heart of the judgemental.

This just shows how far the sin narrative gets pushed by a literal and dare I say carnal mindset. Just how much other nonsense have we projected onto Abba.

May I ask a question then (?):. How much death does life know? - A little bit, most of it, or none at all...?
Yes - a God that knows evil. It is not a God who does evil.

If He created a Tree of Good and Evil, He needs to know evil, correct?

Death does not know anything. Death is separation from life.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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Yes - a God that knows evil. It is not a God who does evil.

If He created a Tree of Good and Evil, He needs to know evil, correct?

Death does not know anything. Death is separation from life.
If, yes, if, absolutely.

IF one believes 'God created a tree'...., then yes, he would know evil. That is the biblical narrative, but the reason I picked up on your comment is because that whole concept has become very odd, even anathema to me - and it's why it stuck out to me like a sore thumb, ...because it is evident that man made up the story about God "putting a 'tree' (and a command/choice) into the garden" and then projected it onto God, ...effectively saying that it is all His fault. And here's the reason why...

Death and life as spiritual forces are not miscible (cannot be mixed together) both in terms of God the Father's nature and how they work in us - indeed they are two 'opposite' forces, such that one cannot know the other. That is why he overlooks 'sin' - He doesn't count it against us - because He knows we "know not" what we are doing.

Evil was created by the enactment of the law of sin and death - but God did not create that - it was created by man's faith/belief in man's notion of separation (from Father), then fear, then blame, control and judgement. Man's faith/belief has spiritual creative power, whether it is placed in a lie or in The Truth.

God, does not know death, or evil - that 'opposite' is not working in Him, either in His thoughts (cognitively) or in His actions (outward behaviour) at all!, ...period.

He ONLY has a ministry of LIFE. ...Ask him, if you don't believe me.

...this is the whole basis of what righteous judgement really means.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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Adam sinned and God took him out of the garden of Eden and put God`s angelic host to protect the tree of life ...... See Adam did eat from the tree as He lived for 930 years before he died ...... If Adam ate from the tree of life after he sinned against God then the whole human race would have been condemned like the demons and the fallen angels with No salvation from Jesus would have come ............Then , even Angels are not just imaginary conjecture of ideas , where I witnessed two a few years ago , as two messenger Holy Angels flew by me , were both had pure white wings like doves feathers and then disappeared in the spirit .. Glory to God
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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Adam sinned and God took him out of the garden of Eden and put God`s angelic host to protect the tree of life ...... See Adam did eat from the tree as He lived for 930 years before he died ...... If Adam ate from the tree of life after he sinned against God then the whole human race would have been condemned like the demons and the fallen angels with No salvation from Jesus would have come ............Then , even Angels are not just imaginary conjecture of ideas , where I witnessed two a few years ago , as two messenger Holy Angels flew by me , were both had pure white wings like doves feathers and then disappeared in the spirit .. Glory to God

Amen. I've had a visitation, too, and saw the pure white feathers. Blessings...
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I know... one's destination does not depend on judgment and works, but on one's relationship with Christ.
Wrong.

You'll find out.
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:57 PM
 
Location: US
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I awoke today with the flaming swords of the Lord upon my heart.

The question: Why is the Tree Of Life guarded by heavenly beings with flaming swords swirling in every direction?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/gene...4-compare.html
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8167#v=24
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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If, yes, if, absolutely.

IF one believes 'God created a tree'...., then yes, he would know evil. That is the biblical narrative, but the reason I picked up on your comment is because that whole concept has become very odd, even anathema to me - and it's why it stuck out to me like a sore thumb, ...because it is evident that man made up the story about God "putting a 'tree' (and a command/choice) into the garden" and then projected it onto God, ...effectively saying that it is all His fault. And here's the reason why...

Death and life as spiritual forces are not miscible (cannot be mixed together) both in terms of God the Father's nature and how they work in us - indeed they are two 'opposite' forces, such that one cannot know the other. That is why he overlooks 'sin' - He doesn't count it against us - because He knows we "know not" what we are doing.

Evil was created by the enactment of the law of sin and death - but God did not create that - it was created by man's faith/belief in man's notion of separation (from Father), then fear, then blame, control and judgement. Man's faith/belief has spiritual creative power, whether it is placed in a lie or in The Truth.

God, does not know death, or evil - that 'opposite' is not working in Him, either in His thoughts (cognitively) or in His actions (outward behaviour) at all!, ...period.

He ONLY has a ministry of LIFE. ...Ask him, if you don't believe me.

...this is the whole basis of what righteous judgement really means.
Then there is really nothing to discuss since you don't think it's real.
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Old 06-04-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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Thank you Richard. Do you have any comments?

And He drove the man out, and He stationed from the east of the Garden of Eden the cherubim and the blade of the revolving sword, to guard the way to the Tree of Life.

כדוַיְגָ֖רֶשׁ אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֑ם וַיַּשְׁכֵּן֩ מִקֶּ֨דֶם לְגַן־עֵ֜דֶן אֶת־הַכְּרֻבִ֗ים וְאֵ֨ת לַ֤הַט הַחֶ֨רֶב֙ הַמִּתְהַפֶּ֔כֶת לִשְׁמֹ֕ר אֶת־דֶּ֖רֶךְ עֵ֥ץ הַֽחַיִּֽים:
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Why does the Lord guard the way to the Tree of Life with a revolving sword?
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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Thank you Richard. Do you have any comments?

And He drove the man out, and He stationed from the east of the Garden of Eden the cherubim and the blade of the revolving sword, to guard the way to the Tree of Life.

כדוַיְגָ֖רֶשׁ אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֑ם וַיַּשְׁכֵּן֩ מִקֶּ֨דֶם לְגַן־עֵ֜דֶן אֶת־הַכְּרֻבִ֗ים וְאֵ֨ת לַ֤הַט הַחֶ֨רֶב֙ הַמִּתְהַפֶּ֔כֶת לִשְׁמֹ֕ר אֶת־דֶּ֖רֶךְ עֵ֥ץ הַֽחַיִּֽים:
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Why does the Lord guard the way to the Tree of Life with a revolving sword?
It is metaphor.
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