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Old 06-13-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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Because the so-called "bandits" on his right and on his left were really just like Jesus. They were all crucified for basically the same thing: sedition. John and James first requested to be at his right and left in glory. But they didn't realize the cross would be the true glory, which is why Jesus told them they did not know the cup that he would have to drink. The cup of suffering.
Jesus was accused of sedition, treason and injured majesty.
The ' cup ' (or portion) that Jesus would drink was being labeled as a blasphemer against his God - John 10:36
So, the charge of blasphemy was what was so hard (the cup) for Jesus to have to die being called a blasphemer.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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As for the wicked, the wicked will simply be 'destroyed forever' according to Psalm 92:7.
And according to the apostle St. Paul>>>>>>>>>>>>

"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends....

Word for today= ta pante= the all

***Note: not "some", not even "pas" (the radical all)

The all!
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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As Matthew 20:28 says that Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.
The one who endures to the end is ' saved ' ( rescued / delivered ) - Matthew 24:13
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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As Matthew 20:28 says that Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.The one who endures to the end is ' saved ' ( rescued / delivered ) - Matthew 24:13
Matthew: You endure with everything you possess in your tri-partate being, but rest assured, Jesus the Christ will reconcile "the all" back to Abba, every last broken wreck! The Saviour of all mankind is not a potential Saviour; He is the Saviour of all mankind! Rose will not cover the word "especially" just yet, but remember our word for today.>>>>>>ta pante= the all

"He is the propitiation for our sins, and not our sins ONLY, but for the sins of the WHOLE world."

Matthew: Jesus Christ is the hilasmos of the holos!
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Jesus' blood covers ALL ( whole world ) 1st John 1:7 but the whole world will Not accept Jesus.
That is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.
What happens to the wicked according to Psalm 92:7 _______________________
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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Jesus' blood covers ALL ( whole world ) 1st John 1:7 but the whole world will Not accept Jesus.
Not yet Matthew, just be patient while you endure to the end.

Let us hear from the apostle St. Paul again>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That IN the Name of Jesus EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue confess...

"You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."

I assume, Matthew, you grasp what it means to be IN Jesus, if so you will appreciate the fact that every being, in every dimension of Father's universe will ultimately bow and confess in His Holy Name! That would be every being on earth, every being in heaven, and every being under the earth.

And Matthew, let Rose assure you and all that read>>>>>>>>>

This is NOT perfunctory genuflections! NOT!
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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I assume, Matthew, you grasp what it means to be IN Jesus, if so you will appreciate the fact that every being, in every dimension of Father's universe will ultimately bow and confess in His Holy Name! That would be every being on earth, every being in heaven, and every being under the earth.
Which brings us back to>>>>>>>

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

For unto this end was the gospel preached even to the dead, that they might be judged indeed according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

"We all have to die—we're like water spilled out on the ground that can't be gathered up again. But God doesn't take life away; instead, he makes plans so those banished from him don't stay that way."

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Old 06-13-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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After Jesus was resurrected ( 1st Peter 3:18 ) then 'after' God resurrected Jesus, then the resurrected Jesus went to the spirits ( 1st Peter 3:19-20) who were the disobedient spirits in Noah's day. Or, as Jude 6 says the angels of Noah's day.
Those angelic spirits ( 2nd Peter 2:4-5) were cast into the prison of tartarus ( KJV says hell ) but biblical tartarus is not hell but a state of darkness for those disobedient spirit angels. By Jesus appearing to them shows them they lost and Jesus won.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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Matthew: I will ask you again. Do you know what it means to "BE" in Jesus. When, and if, you can answer, Rose will be pleased to continue. In the meantime, my beloved partner of 60 years has issued an ultimatum to Rose and I have learned to listen!

Let us hear from the apostle St. Paul again>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That IN the Name of Jesus EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue confess...

"You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."

I assume, Matthew, you grasp what it means to be IN Jesus, if so, you will appreciate the fact that every being, in every dimension of Father's universe will ultimately bow and confess in His Holy Name! That would be every being on earth, every being in heaven, and every being under the earth.

And Matthew, let me assure you and all that read>>>>>>>>>

This is NOT perfunctory genuflections! NOT!
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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As Matthew 20:28 says that Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all.
Many

“For as by one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall the many be made righteous.” The insertion of the definite article, which the Authorized Version unwarrantably leaves out before the word “many” in each case, emphasizes the fact for which it was originally placed there, viz.-- that the company of the righteous is identical in person and number with the company of the sinners to which the passage refers.

“So that we have two phrases in these two verses, by which we can establish beyond question the identity of those under discussion. These two phrases are “ALL MEN,” and “THE MANY.” Of this company it is declared in the first place, that “all men” and “the many” were made sinners and come into condemnation; and in the second place, that “all men” and “the many” will be made righteous, not simply saved but made righteous. If this plain simple language-- and God could not have made it plainer-- does not mean what it says, but infers something quite the opposite, so that the comparison used is not a true one, then we may well pause to ask how ever it came about that on such a subject, and at such a climax in his argument, Paul did not tell us exactly what he meant. -A.E. Saxby-”
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