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Finally, our universalist friends have admitted that Heaven will NOT be eternal. Wonder what will happen after that?
Jimmiej: you cannot be this slow! Take your fingers out of your ears, let the Master put eye salve on your poor blind eyes, and consider the fact that it still takes the Lord Christ operation in our beings to understand the Scriptures.
Then opened He their minds to understand the Scriptures
Jimmiej: you cannot be this slow! Take your fingers out of your ears, let the Master put eye salve on your poor blind eyes, and consider the fact that it still takes the Lord Christ operation in our beings to understand the Scriptures.
Then opened He their minds to understand the Scriptures
I keep praying he'll open your's and the other universalists on this board.
The words aidios is never used by Jesus. You quoted Romans 1:20, and it was used as a descriptive word to describe God the Father. Note that God is the ONLY truly eternal being - from eternity past, to eternity future. He has never NOT existed. So that is the correct term.
There are exactly 2 places where aidios is used, as Jerwade has presented correctly. There is no word in all of canon that means eternal or everlasting. Our God is the aionios God and He is the beginning and the ending.
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That would not apply to us, because we have not existed eternally in the past as God has. We have a starting point. God doesn't. That's the difference in the terms.
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However, Jesus used aionios to describe life eternal with God for believers, and punishment eternal for those that are destined. It is totally incorrect to interpret the same word in different ways. If Jesus wanted to use the term aidios to describe eternal life, He could have... but He didn't.
Jesus Christ never used the word aionios in any way to indicate either punishment or life as anything but limited to an age. Of course, the Life of the Aidios God is another animal because it flows from the Lord of life, the Source, Guide and Goal of the all. So simple, so profound!
So will you, which means you do not have eternal life for surely you will die. As the New Testament has ONLY one word which can truthfully be translated as ETERNAL. This is the Greek word Aidios which is used only twice: For since the creation of the world GODS invisible qualities - Hiseternal (aidios) power and divine nature have been clearly seen. But then, we have already had this discussion which most fundamentalists just ignore, as you did the post above.
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The words aidios is never used by Jesus. You quoted Romans 1:20, and it was used as a descriptive word to describe God the Father. Note that God is the ONLY truly eternal being - from eternity past, to eternity future. He has never NOT existed. So that is the correct term.
That would not apply to us, because we have not existed eternally in the past as God has. We have a starting point. God doesn't. That's the difference in the terms.
However, Jesus used aionios to describe life eternal with God for believers, and punishment eternal for those that are destined. It is totally incorrect to interpret the same word in different ways. If Jesus wanted to use the term aidios to describe eternal life, He could have... but He didn't.
He wasn't describing life Eternal (aidios) for the believer or Eternal (aidios) damnation for those deemed unworthy, that's why he didn't use the word aidios. Read this without a preconceived bias: ETERNITY EXPLAINED
Jimmiej: you cannot be this slow! Take your fingers out of your ears, let the Master put eye salve on your poor blind eyes, and consider the fact that it still takes the Lord Christ operation in our beings to understand the Scriptures.
Then opened He their minds to understand the Scriptures
There isn't a snowball chance in hell that I would ever follow the lie or false teaching of eternal damnation.
Ditto!
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