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Jesus made His message clear, but He also told certain people "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say." Some people will reject the truth no matter how clearly it is explained.
Hey, His own disciples were continually not getting it, were they unable to hear what he said ?.
Have you ever looked at your beliefs with the same insistence that you demand of others? If so, you would see the possibility that God has opened THEIR eyes, not yours.
I put faith in God regardless of how He does things.
It's called TRUST that remains faithful to Him even if one is wrong in their beliefs about what He will do.
My friend, that is a wonderful place in which to abide! We trust in the Living God; His ways exceed anything any of us can imagine, but in the end He does all things well.
VERY TRUE which means there is always the clearly stated biblical exception like winnowing wheat with your own hands on the sabbath .. Which some of these false concepts never allow for God to make or have. So that is really how we know they are false concepts. As the people making them clearly have not read his word very closely.
When the lord is clearly just outlining the parameters with as few a-laws as is possible because obedience seems to be more important than rule-keeping ...... Because he doesn't want us to be slaves. Yes, there is a few things he doesn't want us to do .. like Killing our own young .. By throwing them into the fire for other gods or suckin them out with vacuum cleaners either, or starving them either. He doesn't want anyone raping their neighbor's wife or seducing her .. Or ooogling or googling at her either. on and on that could go .. but HIS people will NOT Murder, or his people will not lust thier neighbors wife or his stuff either . was an outline enough for all wanting it placed in their hearts. because they don't want to hurt God or others either. these who want the simple truth placed in their hearts will be saved and it has been that way since the start.
The liars try and make those loosy goosy simplified outlines of laws into hard fast rules. That is when we know they haven't met him yet.. Rotf..
They just don't know him. They are certainly not married, or fully engaged, they are still just
in it for a dinner and date and trying to dressed up to look good, but he knows better!
Jesus made His message clear, but He also told certain people "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say." Some people will reject the truth no matter how clearly it is explained.
The idea of universalism saying that hell is just temporary and everyone is granted entry into heaven is false doctrine and possibly demonic.
Christian theologians will tell you that hell is real and separation from the Lord is permanent for the damned. There several passages you can read. A few verses about hell as eternal is pasted below. Yet, Universalism where everyone is saved ignores God’s Word.
No eternal hell means no need for repentance of your transgressions. No turning away from sin and you will never have a relationship with Christ. No relationship with the Lord will not gain faith. If no faith there is no reason to know God. This is EXACTLY what Satan desires.
Do not listen to these false teachers. Shun them for their way will lead you to eternal death
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Thessalonians 1:5-9 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Good post. I'll also add to it that in pretty much every forum I've ever posted on, I see universalists simply take over. They shout down anyone else and hijack every thread. And that's pretty much what we see here.
The salvation of ALL humanity is evil and Eternal Damnation isn't?
The salvation of ALL humanity is evil and Eternal Damnation isn't?
Please, explain or elaborate.
Perversion of the Gospel, telling people they're just fine when they aren't is evil. No worse than a shyster televangelist telling someone they're healed and got nothing to worry about when they aren't.
Jesus said he was the only way to Heaven. ONLY through trusting in him can they be saved. The apostle Paul said those that would pervert the Gospel are anathema.
It is not us that decides who goes to heaven and hell. But it is our responsibility and honor to learn God’s Word and to show the world Christ’s love.
Have you ever considered that God’s way is BETTER than your understanding ? Stop changing the meaning on what He says and just put faith in Him and His plan.
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Have you ever looked at your beliefs with the same insistence that you demand of others? If so, you would see the possibility that God has opened THEIR eyes, not yours.
I put faith in God regardless of how He does things.
It's called TRUST that remains faithful to Him even if one is wrong in their beliefs about what He will do.
God love you Wardenreden.
you mean stop looking at the language scripture was written in and trust the bias translators.
Keep in mind, that even when Jesus walked the earth, those closest to him, the apostles and disciples, faith alone was NOT good enough for them, they required Jesus prove himself time and time again, they still didnt fully believe after seeing Jesus perform all kinds of miracles?!!
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Hey, His own disciples were continually not getting it, were they unable to hear what he said ?.
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Is it not terrible the 12, and we modern day disciples, require an opening of the mind, and heart, and ears?
And when the 12 wanted to call down fire from heaven to destroy those who rejected Jesus Christ, Jesus said unto them
YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF.
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