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Old 07-13-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Actually, he didn't, but that won't stop you from making a false claim.

You are half right. Jesus does talk about heaven more than He does hell. Someone told me that and I took their word for it and did not do my homework. I will not make that false claim again.



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And the concept of Hell has already been refuted multiple times.

It is not, and cannot be refuted from the Bible and that is the only source that counts.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Thanks again, omega! Keep on, keepin' on!
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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You are half right. Jesus does talk about heaven more than He does hell. Someone told me that and I took their word for it and did not do my homework. I will not make that false claim again.






It is not, and cannot be refuted from the Bible and that is the only source that counts.



Hebrews 8
The High Priest of a New Covenant
1Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.


3Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain


You take the 3 sections of the Temple that is made to show us the design of heaven and then you explain the Holy of Holies, and the difference between this and the Holy place which are the two sections of the Temple proper. Then you explain the outer court of Gentile on this Earth and how it relates to the outer court of darkness as it is called in heaven and in earth.

A Tree and its Fruit
…22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’

What happened to these Christians preachers and miracle workers, where are they sent to, and are they still saved?

Matthew 8
12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth


People came into the kingdom all smiling and happy thinking they would recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? These are Gentiles who think they will come into the kingdom to be counted as Israel, as the actual seed of Isaac and Jacob because they said,'' JESUS, JESUS,'' they are then escorted to the outer court of Gentiles called the outer court of darkness.

Jesus told us about the least and the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus told us that people can speak against him, AND EVEN not keep any of the laws, AND EVEN teach others to disrespect the laws and STILL BE SAVED but these are cast to the court, and it is NO DOUBT the least in the kingdom.

1 Corinthians 3
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

EVEN AFTER people are thrown into the flames, and EVEN AFTER their works burn, and they themselves burn, THEY ARE STILL SAVED. The people in the court are still saved, they are just Gentiles. Christians are confused about what Jesus came offering, Jesus came looking for the lost sheep of Israel who had been missing for 700 years and he could hardly offer a covenant to Ephraim and Judah without Ephraim being there.

Gentiles accepted the worship system of God, thus fulfilling THE FACTS of how to take hold of the covenant and THE FACTS of how Gentiles became one people with Jews. The covenant that Messiah brings for Ephraim and Judah is a special covenant, it doesn't mean everyone else is going to hell, and if it did mean this, this 99.9 percent of all Christians who have ever lived are going to hell.

Gentiles STOPPED becoming one with Jews 2000 years ago when the Gentile wasn't brave enough to die for God as a Jew continued doing, and so the Gentiles left the covenant which made them Ephraim, and THUS, co heirs with Jews BECOMING JEWS.
For 2000 years no Gentiles have been coming under the covenant Messiah brought for Ephraim and Judah, and so let's hope that it doesn't mean hell, because the covenant is precise, it is for Ephraim and Judah.

If God was going to curse and be rid of everyone but Ephraim and Judah, it would be pointless. Ephraim and Judah become a nation of priests and kings to the world, if everyone else is done away with, there would be none to rule, and none to teach.

Trying to rationalize modern Christianity into the New covenant cannot be done, as a Gentile, you have either become Ephraim or not, you join the Jews and become one with Jews OR NOT, Messiah brings a covenant making two men, one man and they shall no longer be as two nations. If you look around and you aren't amongst the Jews in the same religion, then you must be in a different covenant.

MANY people will NEVER enter into the higher Zoe kingdom, I don't expect to, but we don't have to be completely in the dark about what Hell is, we are shown what it is through the design and symbolism of the temple, and people are still saved sitting there weeping and gnashing their teeth because they had been escorted out of the Zoe kingdom, and so it is true how a person lives.

A person is all happy thinking he will have the seats of honor and he makes a mad dash into the higher kingdom thinking he will sit and speak with Jacob, but then he is turned around and escorted out. And so we should live as one who stands outside in the court of Gentiles to fearful to enter into the Temple proper until somebody comes out to escort us in....... It is a lesson on how we should view other people right now.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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When you can demonstrate that your perception is anything BUT prejudice that has caused real harm to real people you will have a leg to stand on. Until then it is JUST bigotry.
No, and you have no right to say how we think and feel when we told you otherwise. We have been over this numerous times. Just because we align our thoughts with the Scriptures does not make us hateful, bigoted , people.

I will continue letting people know “you are in danger!!!”
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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No, and you have no right to say how we think and feel when we told you otherwise. We have been over this numerous times. Just because we align our thoughts with the Scriptures does not make us hateful, bigoted , people.

I will continue letting people know “you are in danger!!!â€
You tell him Stingy!


I don't know whether my name is bigot, misogynist, racist, Nazi, perhaps I am all of these, what did I forget?


People used to be afforded their opinions without everyone hating them for having an opinion.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Not only read it, studied it and taught it. You just don't understand it. Let me help you. The 2 examples James give as examples of works, the author of Hebrews gives them as examples of faith. Works without faith is also dead.
James 2:14-26 Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"—and he was called a friend of God.

24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

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Old 07-13-2018, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Actually, he didn't, but that won't stop you from making a false claim.
And the concept of Hell has already been refuted multiple times.
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You are half right. Jesus does talk about heaven more than He does hell. Someone told me that and I took their word for it and did not do my homework. I will not make that false claim again.
I do appreciate that you acknowledged this error, and were humble enough to admit it.

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It is not, and cannot be refuted from the Bible and that is the only source that counts.
The Bible is syncretistic in nature; it is mixed and blended with various human beliefs which have nothing to do with God. There is no underworld, the only exception is that of the grave. Study the languages and the different meanings or definitions over time, especially that of the English.

Hell is merely a pit or a hole in the ground (i.e., the grave or a root-cellar for storing food).
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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No, and you have no right to say how we think and feel when we told you otherwise. We have been over this numerous times. Just because we align our thoughts with the Scriptures does not make us hateful, bigoted , people.

I will continue letting people know "you are in danger!!!"
You must be campaigning for re-election which is predicated on fearmongering and deception.
PLEASE, do not go around shaking hands and kissing babies with the peculiar mindset, thanks!
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You tell him Stingy!


I don't know whether my name is bigot, misogynist, racist, Nazi, perhaps I am all of these, what did I forget?


People used to be afforded their opinions without everyone hating them for having an opinion.
When EXPRESSING an opinion that causes actual harm to real people and is based on nothing more than an opinion of what scripture means, then that is known as bigotry. When you can show that you are NOT doing harm to real people by expressing those opinions you will receive credit due.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:17 PM
 
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When EXPRESSING an opinion that causes actual harm to real people and is based on nothing more than an opinion of what scripture means, then that is known as bigotry. When you can show that you are NOT doing harm to real people by expressing those opinions you will receive credit due.
Lol!
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