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No, it was directed at those that were considering going back to Judaism...
It isn't saying that at all, not in the least, these were converts to Judaism Richard. It is not saying that they should give up the religion,
Hebrews 6 1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,and of faith in God, 2instruction about cleansing rites,the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so.
He had been all over what the cleansing rights symbolized and he wanted to move into deeper subjects, but they couldn't, it is not saying that they should not have cleansing rights, he just wants to move on to more mature teachings, and they could not. Those people were at least willing to learn all the cleansing rights to see what they pointed to, they were being taught all the traditions of the Jews to understand Judaism.
The Scriptures dispute your doctrine. You're either a Saint or a sinner. You're either righteous or unrighteous. You're either holy or unholy. You're either on the narrow road that leads to life or the broad road that leads to hell. Where your heart is, there will be your treasure also. Is your heart in love with sin or God? Which is it? No man can serve two masters.
There is no road that leads to hell, that's a teaching from Plato, brought into the church in the 2nd century by Tertullian and Athenagoras.
2 Cor 4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
No one thinks that they have been deceived, but that really doesn't matter either, because if God doesn't draw you, you are blind, even though everyone thinks they are not. Part of the deception.
The Scriptures dispute your doctrine. You're either a Saint or a sinner. You're either righteous or unrighteous. You're either holy or unholy.
No one is ALL one thing or the other that flies in the face of everything we know about people and that is the problem today. Treating people as either all evil or all righteous is absurd.
The Scriptures dispute your doctrine. You're either a Saint or a sinner. You're either righteous or unrighteous. You're either holy or unholy. You're either on the narrow road that leads to life or the broad road that leads to hell. Where your heart is, there will be your treasure also. Is your heart in love with sin or God? Which is it? No man can serve two masters.
Dude said that you are either a saint or a sinner lol.
You are both, you are Ishmael and you are Isaac and Galatians explains this thing, AND ONCE AGAIN, people cannot get past the basics of knowing that we are two sons, the kingdom of heaven is as a man had two sons. The seed of the first born and the seed of the second born. These two sons have two mothers which are two Jerusalems, and both Jerusalems have their own particular law for each one of the sons. There is a law pertaining to the Jerusalem here, and this law pertains to ISHMAEL, the first born son THAT YOU ARE. And the mother of this Jerusalem is Hagar, the bondswoman. The laws of Moses pertain to the son of the bondswoman, THE FLESH, but there is another mother whose name is Sarah, and this Sarah is Jerusalem also, and she is our mother, and we are her sons. This heavenly Jerusalem and heavenly mother has a law pertaining STRICTLY to her son, just as the laws of Moses pertain STRICTLY to Ishmael, the first born of flesh.
UNLESS a person studies the laws day and night, he can never find the hidden law for the son of Sarah, and there IS A LAW, and only found through knowledge of the religion of God, you are the temple, and YOU MUST LEARN the comings and goings of the temple to know thyself.
That you are living this life as Ishmael in the flesh and the laws of Moses will judge the flesh and condemn the flesh, but you are also becoming a new creature of the Jerusalem above, and Sarah is your mother, and you have a law STRCTLY pertaining to the son of Sarah, and the son of Sarah is a freeman, the laws of Moses CANNOT JUDGE HIM, HE HAS NO SIN.
Jesus will come and separate the goat named Ishmael, from the sheep named Isaac, and so the great division will occur, your waters will stand on end as if you were a sacrifice cut in half from nose to butt, and the Lord is standing in between the two halves that you are. You have 12 ribs for one son as priests, and you also have 12 ribs for the other son which are priests, and these 24 elders are divided in 3 sections.
There are two kingdoms of Israel in order to show the first born named ,'' Ephraim,'' and then the second born,'' Judah.''
This is YOUR flesh and YOUR spirit JUST LIKE Ishmael and Isaac, just LIKE Esau and Jacob, Cain and Abel, and we can go through all the patriarchs from the 3 sons of Adam, the 3 sons of Noah, the 3 sons of Terah, Moses and his two siblings until we have established a repeating story that shows two kingdoms and a city of peace between these two kingdoms.
The land divided by 3, and the people divided by 3 so that the design of the Temple is followed with it's 3 sections and it's 3 major feasts UNIQUELY BOUND by the actual history of Israel where it's history IS THE LAND, IS THE 3 HARVESTS. Their history of the barley harvest of Passover, their history of the wheat harvest in Pentecost, and their wandering for 40 years in the feast of Tabernacles, to come to a land divided by these 3. What other people have ever lived where their land is bound to their history?
Their harvests tell the history of these people, that you begin explaining their beginning in the harvests.
If we cannot get past that basic knowledge of salvation in the barley harvest of Passover, how will we ever move on to the oil and the wine?
Babies on milk can't understand because they have to become farmers. LET US MOVE ON FROM THE BASICS OF PASSOVER, AND LET US TEACH OF TABERNACLES.
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I am not a Universalist. But the passage in question which actually begins with Hebrews 5:11 is not even talking about salvation, the possibility of losing salvation, or being unable to be saved again if you once lose your salvation. The writer of Hebrews simply is not addressing the issue of salvation. What he is doing is exhorting his readers, who should by that time have been teachers, but are still immature believers and are themselves in need of being retaught ''the elementary principles of the oracles of God'' (Hebrews 5:12), to press on to maturity and leaving the basic teachings behind.
In Hebrews 6:4-6 the writer of Hebrews is warning his readers, not about falling away from salvation, but of falling away from the sound apostolic teaching they had received, and falling into a state of apostasy. He is saying that once a believer has rejected correct teaching because of unsound teaching, it is almost impossible, apart from the grace of God, to restore him to the correct teachings of the faith.
His readers were perhaps being influenced by the Judaizers who taught that in order to be saved you must adhere to the practices of Judaism, such as being circumcised (Acts 15:1; Galatians 5:1-11).
A believer can lose his faith due to being influenced by false teachings such as is stated in 1 Timothy where some are said to have ''suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith'' (1 Tim. 1:19), but he cannot lose his salvation.
To sum up, the writer of Hebrews was warning his readers about the peril of falling into apostasy because believers who become apostate in their beliefs usually do not return to correct apostolic beliefs. But eternal
salvation is not in view. Once saved, it is possible for a believer to renounce his faith for one reason or another, but doing so does not mean that he loses his salvation.
James 5:19-20
My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Many verses are opposed to it. I have not heard people use this particular one to make arguments against it. If you have heard it, then so be it.
I already gave you Matt Slick. And the 2nd post in this thread. And referred to many others i've seen. For example, see the commentaries on biblehub.com.
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The next post simply offers an opinion on what the verse means. No mention of UR.
Using the letters "UR" is irrelevant. The post clearly opposes UR:
"It means that believers who go back to disbelief will not be forgiven."
And was a reply to the OP defending UR vs anti-UR interpretations of Heb.6:4-6.
Are you normally this obtuse, or just playing the part for giggles.
I already gave you Matt Slick. And the 2nd post in this thread. And referred to many others i've seen. For example, see the commentaries on biblehub.com.
Using the letters "UR" is irrelevant. The post clearly opposes UR:
Any verse which speaks about the salvation through faith opposes UR, and there are some 200 of them, but I doubt this particular one is among them.
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