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I am obsessed with it, why? Because it is a lie. It creates a picture of a God that is crazy, ruthless bent on torturing humans for eternity.
So yes I will defend my God to my last breath. Hell believers have created a new God, a heinous God. What do people on the outside of christianity see? Your heinous God and never take another step towards the true God.
Obsessed? you bet.
Feel free to call God anything you want. Universalists routinely call him a monster, so "heinous" is nothing out of the ordinary. Jesus spoke about everlasting torment, so lets not pretend someone else came up with it. You are the one who created an alternative religion, which you are defending to your last breath.
Feel free to call God anything you want. Universalists routinely call him a monster, so "heinous" is nothing out of the ordinary. Jesus spoke about everlasting torment, so lets not pretend someone else came up with it. You are the one who created an alternative religion, which you are defending to your last breath.
Feel free to call God anything you want. Universalists routinely call him a monster, so "heinous" is nothing out of the ordinary. Jesus spoke about everlasting torment, so lets not pretend someone else came up with it. You are the one who created an alternative religion, which you are defending to your last breath.
Jesus did not teach about eternal torment, or was that right after he said love your enemies or was it before he said, forgive them father, for they do not know what they are doing?
Why didn't Jesus just say father make them all burn in hell for all eternity?
Because, God is love, God's mercy endures forever.
You speak of Rev 14:10 and Rev 20:10 as far as eternal torment. Just like sheol, hades, gehenna and tartarus have been falsely translated to say hell by hell believers.
Eternal, forever have also been translated incorrectly, information is at your fingertips, do the research, are you afraid to find out what the truth is?
Hell should be a thing of the past, but are you like other people who would rather just listen to others, the blind leading the blind?
Oh, by the way, I didn't call God anything, my God is loving, just, and merciful. I called your God heinous, we do not have the same God.
mike555 called me arrogant, am I arrogant or just telling the truth?
Everlasting torment is an absurd idea. An overall stronger biblical case can perhaps be made for universal reconciliation than for eternal torment, and certainly, the biblical axiom that God is love negates eternal torment absolutely. But even when a belief is entirely nonsensical, ~1800 years of momentum behind it will continue to carry it forward.
"The thief comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Anyone who believes that God annihilates people appears to have confused God with "the thief".
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Awesome scripture.
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And why is it this is so plainly clear to us and some others.
UBT...I added something a couple posts above.xo
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Experiencing God's love brings clarity. Admittedly, it takes some of us (me, for instance) much longer than others.
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I am obsessed with it, why? Because it is a lie. It creates a picture of a God that is crazy, ruthless bent on torturing humans for eternity.
So yes I will defend my God to my last breath. Hell believers have created a new God, a heinous God. What do people on the outside of Christianity see? Your heinous God and never take another step towards the true God.
Obsessed? you bet.
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Feel free to call God anything you want. Universalists routinely call him a monster, so "heinous" is nothing out of the ordinary. Jesus spoke about everlasting torment, so lets not pretend someone else came up with it. You are the one who created an alternative religion, which you are defending to your last breath.
They are NOT calling God a monster, Finn. They are calling what you believe ABOUT God monstrous! That you can accept something so patently evil and so completely removed from ANY rational concept of agape love, mercy, compassion or justice says more about your moral compass and standards than anything else.
They are NOT calling God a monster, Finn. They are calling what you believe ABOUT God monstrous! That you can accept something so patently evil and so completely removed from ANY rational concept of agape love, mercy, compassion or justice says more about your moral compass and standards than anything else.
I would encourage all the Hell believers to read Paul's letter to the Romans with an open mind. He talks about getting right with God. He can be confusing and contrary at times. But his tone would not have such an overall positive and optimistic tone if his idea of salvation was not something entirely psychological. If the number "chosen" for salvation was so tiny and small, then he wouldn't sound so universalist. He even talks about the true believers of that present moment potentially losing their salvation in the future.
As I understand Paul, being "separated from God" is surely a psychological state, just as being "right with God" is the same. And both are temporary mental states.
hell was created for the devil and his hoards , as there is NO mercy for this spirit from God , where as when man rejects God and fails to do what God requires then by default justice this spirit of man goes to the authority of the devil , as God has no purpose
"as God has no purpose" ???? Why do you write such things as this. God has a grand purpose. Don't you believe he is in control of his plan of all the ages?
It's weird the people who deny the existence of hell are the more obsessed with hell than anyone else.
Yes, because it is such a destructive and lying doctrine, we are called to expose it for the lie that it is. God is interested in being loved for his goodness and mercy, not being feared like one fears a terrorist or a thug like those who rule the nations with atrocities and jails. Continue in your strange "faith". Could be it is impossible for you to believe the truth. Only God knows.
They are NOT calling God a monster, Finn. They are calling what you believe ABOUT God monstrous! That you can accept something so patently evil and so completely removed from ANY rational concept of agape love, mercy, compassion or justice says more about your moral compass and standards than anything else.
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