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Old 08-04-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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If God did not determine the canon, it is of little value. ...
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It is only of "little value" if you want to consider it as authority from God. If you believe the promise of Jesus for a "guide" that is NOT a book, it may be an excellent tool FOR that guide.
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Just the opposite. If God determined the anon, it can be relied on 100%.
You seem to have a little trouble following your own posts.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:47 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Ehrman is one of he top liberal theologians in the world, and he NEVER supports his OPINIONS with evidence. If you consider opinions as evidence, jump on his liberal, non-Biblical band wagon and preach his non-Biblical gospel.theology.


The NT canon was determine by a council, so he is also wrong about that.
No, the New Testament canon was not determined by a council. You saw the name Ehrman and completely ignored that the comment was made by Michael Kruger who holds that the Bible is the word of God and that the process of canonicity was guided by God. Once again, all a church council could do is to recognize the books which had already been accepted by the church at large as authoritative.

And again, contrary to popular belief, the Council of Nicea in AD 325 didn't even address canonicity issues.

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Old 08-04-2018, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Believing is not evidence. Many others believe the canons are from God, not from man.
Yes, that's what I said.

However, we do know for fairly certain that human beings wrote the words down.
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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It is only of "little value" if you want to consider it as authority from God. If you believe the promise of Jesus for a "guide" that is NOT a book, it may be an excellent tool FOR that guide.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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Jesus rejecting and denigrating ANY hierarchy belies your claim that He intended to institute a Church instead of a gathering of followers (ecclesia).
Jesus did not denigrate hierarchy. He denigrated the imposition of man-made laws by the hierarchy. He himself was part of the hierarchy, preaching in the temple as a rabbi. He instituted his own hierarchy, he being leader over the apostles who were over the disciples.

He also told his followers to give to Caesar what is Ceasar’s. Was Caesar not part of a hierarchy?
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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You're describing religiosity.

Jesus, Mr. Rogers, and Bill & Ted, all preached essentially the same message. And it's the only one that matters: Play nicely.

The rest is political BS.
How would you come to know Mr. Rogers and Bill and Ted if not for PBS and Hollywood? How would you come to know Christ if not for religion?
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Jesus did not denigrate hierarchy. He denigrated the imposition of man-made laws by the hierarchy. He himself was part of the hierarchy, preaching in the temple as a rabbi. He instituted his own hierarchy, he being leader over the apostles who were over the disciples.

He also told his followers to give to Caesar what is Ceasar’s. Was Caesar not part of a hierarchy?
Of course Jesus recognized civil government, both Roman and Jewish, essentially telling followers not to "fight city hall" when he spoke of doing what the pharisees who have "sat down in Moses" seat" tell them to do.
Not what He intended for the "body of Christ." Please read what Paul had to say in 1Cor 12.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Mars City
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Jesus's quotes in the Gospels are more than sufficient and complete. This isn't rocket science.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Germany
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Personally I consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ, but I have strong objections to the idea of an "official" canon of books which are considered to be "inspired".

Because if you accept the Roman church's official canon, or the Protestant canon, then you are actually putting your faith in a human organization.

Does anyone else feel this way?

Jesus Himself at least acknowledged the canon of the Hebrew scriptures. If you disagree with the New Testament canon, judge for yourself - the extra biblical writings are all available this day, I stick with the Protestant canon.
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Yes, I do.

Christians need to be aware of the ever-present potential of organized religion to divert or corrupt the core directive. The canon is useful, but one must always be cognizant of its human origin.
Absolutely. The scriptures must be tried by the Holy Spirit.
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