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Old 06-11-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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Who said it was unconditional?
If love is conditional, it's not love. If God is God, then he of all people should be able to love unconditionally, not imperfectly like we humans.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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If love is conditional, it's not love. If God is God, then he of all people should be able to love unconditionally, not imperfectly like we humans.
God desires all to be saved, but faith is the conduit.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:44 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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God desires all to be saved, but faith is the conduit.
Arg! I thwart the desire of the Almighty.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Arg! I thwart the desire of the Almighty.
Most of us possessed of common sense do.
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:11 PM
 
Location: New England
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God desires all to be saved, but faith is the conduit.
Strong and willful desire conceives and do you know what happens when desire is conceived ?
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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According to the Bible, all Non-christians will be sent to Eternal Torture in Fire.
I need a chapter and verse to support that claim.

[/quote]It's different here on Earth where evildoers receive punishment in different degrees according to the individual severity of their crimes. Why is it reversed in Hell?[/quote]There are different degrees of glory in Heaven, and the overwhelming majority of people who have ever lived are going to end up in one or another of them, eliminating the need for multiple degrees of torture in Hell.

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Old 06-11-2020, 12:40 PM
 
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God desires all to be saved, but faith is the conduit.
I'm not talking about being saved or faith. Either God loves people or he doesn't. Pretty simple, really. If he doesn't, he's being conditional. You'd think a being as big as God is supposed to be would understand the frailties of human nature. Even most humans understand the need to be empathetic to animals, knowing that they are less intelligent and have limited understanding. And nothing is expected of them for the most part. They are just loved because they exist. Most human parents, who have tons of faults and shortcomings, if they are decent, love their children unconditionally. If God isn't at least that empathetic, then he's not a very good God in my book.
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I'm not talking about being saved or faith. Either God loves people or he doesn't. Pretty simple, really. If he doesn't, he's being conditional. You'd think a being as big as God is supposed to be would understand the frailties of human nature. Even most humans understand the need to be empathetic to animals, knowing that they are less intelligent and have limited understanding. And nothing is expected of them for the most part. They are just loved because they exist. Most human parents, who have tons of faults and shortcomings, if they are decent, love their children unconditionally. If God isn't at least that empathetic, then he's not a very good God in my book.
God does love all His creation and He is forgiving regarding our faults. But if you disregard God, He will give you your wish.

I’m assuming that even though you aren’t a Christian, you acknowledge God, to some degree.
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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God does love all His creation and He is forgiving regarding our faults. But if you disregard God, He will give you your wish.

I’m assuming that even though you aren’t a Christian, you acknowledge God, to some degree.
Jimmie, I won't argue with you. I've made my point. I acknowledge that there is a Source of Life, call it God or whatever you will. We are all connected to that Source, humans, plants, other animals, the earth, stars, everything that exists. That is my belief. The end.
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Jimmie, I won't argue with you. I've made my point. I acknowledge that there is a Source of Life, call it God or whatever you will. We are all connected to that Source, humans, plants, other animals, the earth, stars, everything that exists. That is my belief. The end.
I agree. I acknowledge that source as the Abrahamic God.
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