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Poor ole Constantine had a mess on his hands with all these squabbles...like gangs back then.
Wisely, he brought a bunch of 'elders' let's say and they came up with the Nicene Creed.
you believe in THAT...and you can say you are a Christian...if not...then you are not one.
This is the curious thing...there were many wise ones there that saw things differently...like that
Jesus was not such and such... were they right or wrong?
Didn't matter; majority ruled....like in any Democratic system ...majority is not always correct.
Written by men to explain a doctrine they developed and was changed again and again to fit what they believed and they kept changing it. The initial one is very basic from 325 AD though again the conference was controlled by a Roman emperor which makes it something God would not approve of and the 381 version was forced on the church by a Roman Emperor who removed bishops who did not agree with him and replaced them with ones who would and .... he ordered the creed on the church and persecuted anyone who disagreed. The majority of believers then disagreed with him and the phony bishops.
First Council of Nicaea (325) First Council of Constantinople (381) We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth]; by whom all things were made; Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary, and was made man; He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, andascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; From thence he shall come to judgethe quick and the dead. from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead. ; whose kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Ghost.And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets. In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. [But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'— they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]
Wikipedia is not a source that I would rely on concerning Christianity . Some of their articles are biased and unfounded opinions concerning the Christian doctrine.
Creeds concerning Jesus can be dated back to within a few decades after His resurrection .
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Poor ole Constantine had a mess on his hands with all these squabbles...like gangs back then.
Wisely, he brought a bunch of 'elders' let's say and they came up with the Nicene Creed.
you believe in THAT...and you can say you are a Christian...if not...then you are not one.
This is the curious thing...there were many wise ones there that saw things differently...like that
Jesus was not such and such... were they right or wrong?
Didn't matter; majority ruled....like in any Democratic system ...majority is not always correct.
True, there were some that disagreed with the Nicene Creed. But they were only a handful, some which were Gnostics. That vast majority of Christians used Scripture as their doctrine. Constantine merely collected the books used and compiled them.
True, there were some that disagreed with the Nicene Creed. But they were only a handful, some which were Gnostics. That vast majority of Christians used Scripture as their doctrine. Constantine merely collected the books used and compiled them.
Yes, it's true only a handful, probably Gnostics...what did they know, right?
I believe there might have been only one in a crowd saying the earth was round and
not the center of the solar system. ...to make my point.
Takes one to be correct. Can be 100 that are wrong. Or a jury of 12, even.
True, there were some that disagreed with the Nicene Creed. But they were only a handful, some which were Gnostics. That vast majority of Christians used Scripture as their doctrine. Constantine merely collected the books used and compiled them.
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Yes, it's true only a handful, probably Gnostics...what did they know, right?
I believe there might have been only one in a crowd saying the earth was round and
not the center of the solar system. ...to make my point.
Takes one to be correct. Can be 100 that are wrong. Or a jury of 12, even.
Apparently, the broad path that many travel leads to their own destruction?
Yes, it's true only a handful, probably Gnostics...what did they know, right?
I believe there might have been only one in a crowd saying the earth was round and
not the center of the solar system. ...to make my point.
Takes one to be correct. Can be 100 that are wrong. Or a jury of 12, even.
We have thousands of experts throughout the centuries meticulously going through all fragments and earliest writings that makeup the Scriptures. The Council of Nicea did create the Bible but merely collected it.
Don’t place your faith in “hoping” the Bible is wrong and that God’s wrath is just something made up by men seeking control. The Bible has been painstakingly verified; it is supernatural in origin. People look for proof of God. The Scriptures is the evidence but many deny its power simply because they don’t like what the Lord says.
We have thousands of experts throughout the centuries meticulously going through all fragments and earliest writings that makeup the Scriptures. The Council of Nicea did create the Bible but merely collected it.
Don’t place your faith in “hoping” the Bible is wrong and that God’s wrath is just something made up by men seeking control. The Bible has been painstakingly verified; it is supernatural in origin. People look for proof of God. The Scriptures is the evidence but many deny its power simply because they don’t like what the Lord says.
I doubt that ANYONE denies the "power" of the Bible "simply because they don't like what the Lord says". That is a ridiculous statement. They deny it because they simply can't believe it, or even pretend to.
We have thousands of experts throughout the centuries meticulously going through all fragments and earliest writings that makeup the Scriptures. The Council of Nicea did create the Bible but merely collected it.
Don’t place your faith in “hoping” the Bible is wrong and that God’s wrath is just something made up by men seeking control. The Bible has been painstakingly verified; it is supernatural in origin. People look for proof of God. The Scriptures is the evidence but many deny its power simply because they don’t like what the Lord says.
The bible can do nothing. God who is Spirit is the one doing everything that will be eternal and not burnt up. Without him, we can do nothing, regardless of how much we study the bible or proclaim our belief in the bible. God was never looking for people to put their faith in the bible - he wants us to put our faith in him, his righteousness, his love and his unfathomable grace and mercy. Try it, and then you will stop searching for people to condemn.
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