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I am not a believer in Universalism, or Progressive Christianity. The Church of Latter Day Saints would never refer to me as a Mormon. I am a Bible believing born again Christian. Religions that do not adhere to Christian orthodoxy and do not agree that the Bible is divinely inspired without error, are not part of my faith. Would not these institutions agree with this declaration.
For those in my Church we consider ourselves as The Elect. We either have been predestined or freely chose salvation. Regardless, we are the Church. Many are not. So, why do some consider this statement as offensive?
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
For starters, I don't believe God has predestined anyone to be either "saved" or "damned." So for someone to say, "God personally chose me over you," is offensive. If that requires an explanation, I'm at a complete loss as to what to say.
Personally, I do not know why he was comparing himself to someone who is Mormon. And I highly doubt he has been selected to tell others what they should or should not believe. Apparently, he believes in segregation and desires to have everyone else drink from another fountain?
If he be lifted-up, he will draw ALL PEOPLE to himself. What you said is merely the perception of men who believe they have been selected, which falls under the heading of being ignorant, arrogant, and/or self-righteous.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Actually it was a quote from Jesus Christ, which is why you react like someone slapped your face. The message of the cross if offensive to many.
The only thing offensive is that which comes from the mindset of the self-righteous for there is no one greater or less than any other.
Actually it was a quote from Jesus Christ, which is why you react like someone slapped your face. The message of the cross if offensive to many.
Your comment actually proves my point.
The message of love and salvation for ALL HUMANITY is offensive to you, Mr. Jarber.
But no matter what seat you have on the bus, everyone arrives at the same time.
The message of love and salvation for ALL HUMANITY is offensive to you, Mr. Jarber. But no matter what seat you have on the bus, everyone arrives at the same time.
No, it does not offend me any more than islam, hinduism, hare krisnas or any other religion which I do not believe to be the truth. I do not go around calling them names and accusing them of things like you do to Christians. I know you are offended because it is evident in your behavior.
The only thing offensive is that which comes from the mindset of the self-righteous for there is no one greater or less than any other.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
That is how you see it, and it offends you to no end, and you are directing the anger at those who believe His words.
The self-righteous are an offense to the cross of Christ Jesus, and it is you who is angry or you wouldn't be trying to exalt yourself above other people.
The self-righteous are an offense to the cross of Christ Jesus, and it is you who is angry or you wouldn't be trying to exalt yourself above other people.
Again, this is how you see things, and it says more about you than anyone else. Unfortunately this incorrect view is causing you to rail against others and to lay false accusations against them. It is not a healthy attitude.
Leave that attitude at the cross, and you will do much better.
The message of love and salvation for ALL HUMANITY is offensive to you, Mr. Jarber.
But no matter what seat you have on the bus, everyone arrives at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
No, it does not offend me any more than islam, hinduism, hare krisnas or any other religion which I do not believe to be the truth. I do not go around calling them names and accusing them of things like you do to Christians. I know you are offended because it is evident in your behavior.
So, you equate love and the salvation of ALL people to that of other religions, but not that of Christianism?
The self-righteous are an offense to the cross of Christ Jesus, and it is you who is angry or you wouldn't be trying to exalt yourself above other people.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Again, this is how you see things, and it says more about you than anyone else. Unfortunately this incorrect view is causing you to rail against others and to lay false accusations against them. It is not a healthy attitude.
Leave that attitude at the cross, and you will do much better.
You are the one driving that bus! LMAO
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